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Nagflar : pay back our skills !

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BlackHole31
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-18 10:59:21 UTC
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#2 - 2013-05-18 11:15:24 UTC
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


haha

how about you just ask that they wont chance the nag to the silly all out turret thing and instead of that they should just boost the current nags bonuses to match the other ships.

It's much more fun with missiles and stuff.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
#3 - 2013-05-18 11:17:56 UTC
More fun with missiles, I think that's why nobody uses the Phoenix.

Oh... Wait, that doesn't make sense.

I'm usually never for the whole "SP refund" thing that a lot of people cry out on, but I kinda agree with this one here. The people who trained into using Citadels just for their Naglfar, which now no longer needs them, is kind of a slap in the face to them even if it's good to the ship they fly.

Save the drones!
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-05-18 15:46:14 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


haha

how about you just ask that they wont chance the nag to the silly all out turret thing and instead of that they should just boost the current nags bonuses to match the other ships.

It's much more fun with missiles and stuff.



A 'silly turret thing' that literally every EFT wizard and theorycrafter is jizzing themselves over? One that can actually apply all of it's damage to something smaller than a POS, instead of one that does nothing but grind structures?


I don't care what you think, you're clearly an idiot. I love my new naglfar.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#5 - 2013-05-18 17:57:46 UTC
...


why the f did you invest skillpoints into the Citadel Torps and Cruises if they weren't even bonused? I always saw the Nag as a lowish dps, all damagetypes platform that could either bring 2 large smarties and put some pressure onto Bombers, or bring 2 NOS or whatever do leech cap during siege.


Also: The Geddon was changed from a Laserboat to a Droneboat, please refund all my energy weapon skills as I will never, ever, ever use them again.
BlackHole31
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-05-20 14:30:34 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
...

why the f did you invest skillpoints into the Citadel Torps and Cruises if they weren't even bonused?


Are you serious ?
Well... I had not the choice.
To fly the Naglfar, I had to use capital missiles too !
Mag's
Azn Empire
#7 - 2013-05-20 14:41:13 UTC
You'll more than likely end up training all ships and weapon systems anyway, so......

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-05-20 14:58:42 UTC
BlackHole31 wrote:

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


No. CCP's stance on skill point reimbursement is very clear.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-05-20 15:06:14 UTC
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


CCP never reimburse skills under these circumstances. All ships and modules are "subject to change".

The only time skills have been reimbursed has been when the relevent module or effect has been simply removed from the game (eg: learning skills)

You're not going to get your skillpoints back.

Deal with it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2013-05-20 15:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Malcanis wrote:
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


CCP never reimburse skills under these circumstances. All ships and modules are "subject to change".

The only time skills have been reimbursed has been when the relevent module or effect has been simply removed from the game (eg: learning skills)

You're not going to get your skillpoints back.

Deal with it.


I usually agree but with this change I'm a bit on the fence, for someone who doesn't also have caldari dreads trained it is a very close approximate to if they'd removed them from the game. I think CCP needs to be very careful in a game thats all about playing the long game not too much disadvantage people who take that to heart when things do have to change, as otherwise they become less invested in the game when they become wary of making long term plans and potentially lose interest in the game.


EDIT: Oh and for the record I'm purely moros trained without a single SP in citadel missiles.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-05-20 18:54:57 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


CCP never reimburse skills under these circumstances. All ships and modules are "subject to change".

The only time skills have been reimbursed has been when the relevent module or effect has been simply removed from the game (eg: learning skills)

You're not going to get your skillpoints back.

Deal with it.


I usually agree but with this change I'm a bit on the fence, for someone who doesn't also have caldari dreads trained it is a very close approximate to if they'd removed them from the game.


Nope. XL missiles are still in the game, they still do the same thing (in fact they're getting a buff), you're not getting your skillpoints back.

If you're having trouble dealing with it, I don't know, try harder I guess.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2013-05-20 18:58:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
If you're having trouble dealing with it, I don't know, try harder I guess.


Quoted because it needs to be said repeatedly.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-20 21:48:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Rroff wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


CCP never reimburse skills under these circumstances. All ships and modules are "subject to change".

The only time skills have been reimbursed has been when the relevent module or effect has been simply removed from the game (eg: learning skills)

You're not going to get your skillpoints back.

Deal with it.


I usually agree but with this change I'm a bit on the fence, for someone who doesn't also have caldari dreads trained it is a very close approximate to if they'd removed them from the game.


Nope. XL missiles are still in the game, they still do the same thing (in fact they're getting a buff), you're not getting your skillpoints back.

If you're having trouble dealing with it, I don't know, try harder I guess.


You write as if you're tough for stating the way things are. You're just schadenfreuden. That said CCP has to draw the line over refunding skillpoints or it would be constantly doing it simply because of the morphing nature of EVE.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-05-20 22:33:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


CCP never reimburse skills under these circumstances. All ships and modules are "subject to change".

The only time skills have been reimbursed has been when the relevent module or effect has been simply removed from the game (eg: learning skills)

You're not going to get your skillpoints back.

Deal with it.


so does that mean that with the removal of DSP's we will get the lvl5 skill points we trained to use them back? I don't need the skill to lvl 5 anymore...
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2013-05-20 22:34:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


Nope. XL missiles are still in the game, they still do the same thing (in fact they're getting a buff), you're not getting your skillpoints back.

If you're having trouble dealing with it, I don't know, try harder I guess.


If you read the rest of it you'd notice I don't have any SP in citadel missiles on any character.

I'd agree if it was like the example further up i.e. armageddon with lasers as theres many other ships that the skills required to fly an armageddon apply to that can also use lasers.

A racial capital tho is a long way down a development branch of its own, the path to a nag is relatively removed from the path to a phoenix - to remove something that applies to the extreme end of one branch and is only really applicable to the extreme end of a totally different branch of training isn't that far removed from taking that item away from the game - certainly a very different context to examples like the armageddon.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#16 - 2013-05-20 22:36:51 UTC
Cage Man wrote:

so does that mean that with the removal of DSP's we will get the lvl5 skill points we trained to use them back? I don't need the skill to lvl 5 anymore...


Theres a difference here - astrometrics V gives you an extra probe regardless if you use a DSP or not, its still applicable for other stuff you will do while scanning and doesn't require extensive retraining into another area of the game to once again make use of that skill.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#17 - 2013-05-20 22:42:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
BlackHole31 wrote:
Hi guys;

You have modified the Naglfar.

So please pay our useless minmatar skills back : Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes ( Skill Points and Iskes ! )

I won't fly in a Phoenix or in a Leviathan.
I don't need these skills anymore.

You have modified the ship, so plz PAY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!


CCP never reimburse skills under these circumstances. All ships and modules are "subject to change".

The only time skills have been reimbursed has been when the relevent module or effect has been simply removed from the game (eg: learning skills)

You're not going to get your skillpoints back.

Deal with it.


feel free to use that as much as you like Pirate

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-05-20 22:58:58 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Cage Man wrote:

so does that mean that with the removal of DSP's we will get the lvl5 skill points we trained to use them back? I don't need the skill to lvl 5 anymore...


Theres a difference here - astrometrics V gives you an extra probe regardless if you use a DSP or not, its still applicable for other stuff you will do while scanning and doesn't require extensive retraining into another area of the game to once again make use of that skill.


I can guarantee you I do not need lvl5 anymore. You find me one sig you cannot scan down with lvl4 and a bonused ship. Sole purpose for training this skill was to use the DSP.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2013-05-21 00:49:02 UTC
OP: "They Buffed My Boat and I'm unhappy about it and want free SP to recompense for the inconvenience of having my Boat Buffed."


Seriously?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2013-05-21 03:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
- when ships that abused the mechanics during the "nano-age" were nerfed... no one was reimbursed.
- when Gallente ships were rendered "sub-par" due to the many changes to made to webs, scrams, and tanking... no one was reimbursed.
- each time the Nalfagar was revised and altered (this would be it's 3rd or 4th time), making it either better or worse to some people... no one was reimbursed.
- When Motherships were buffed and renamed Supercarriers, rendering Dreds all but obsolete... no one was reimbursed.
- When Supercarriers were whacked hard with the nerf-bat a year or so later... no one was reimbursed.
- When Dreadnoughts and Titans lost their ability to field point defense (drones)... no one was reimbursed.
- When Titans were repeatedly hit with the nerf-bat... no one was reimbursed.
- When Heavy Missiles were nerfed... no one was reimbursed.
- When the NPC AI was buffed and made it more difficult for drone users to PvE compared to other ships and weapon systems... no one was reimbursed.

- When Leaning skills were removed from the game... people were reimbursed.


CCP has drawn "the line" pretty clearly.

How did you Veterans start?
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