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Some newbie questions regarding subscribing and Long-term plans

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Victor Stillwater
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-27 17:46:26 UTC
Hi folks,

I already have it in my mind to subscribe. The thing is, I wanted to know a couple of things before I did that.

The first question I had was about Trial time. My friend gave me a 21-day trial code, which I used to play. Will subscribing remove the 21-day trial and automatically begin the month, or do I get 21+30 days out of the whole thing with trial subscriptions lifted?

My second concern is with the long-term viability of my character. What I ultimately want to do is make money selling stuff I make. The issue now is getting enough capital to do that, which I figure I can do by performing High Security Planetary Interaction and low-level mission running. Right now, I'm training Science and Manufacturing skills, but I do hope to get more mission-helpful skills for future use.

I know PI is unavailable for trials, but I did want to ask about ship usage. I have completed most of the career tutorials, and I do have a Tristan, but I'm not sure what a good ship is for mission running and PI. Can anyone assist me there with advice or something called a loadout?

Thank you for your time!

Butt-kicking for goodness! - Minsc, Baldur's Gate Series

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2011-10-27 17:52:56 UTC
It's 21+30.

For ships and loadouts, it depends on the kind of missions and where you want to do your PI. But likely you'll have to use an Industrial for PI.
Victor Stillwater
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-27 18:00:51 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
It's 21+30.

For ships and loadouts, it depends on the kind of missions and where you want to do your PI. But likely you'll have to use an Industrial for PI.


Should I base my ship choices on a mix of final corp location and what I want to do?

Meaning, should I kit out a Mission Runner and an Industrial PI ship?

How would I go about doing that?

Butt-kicking for goodness! - Minsc, Baldur's Gate Series

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-27 19:06:28 UTC
Hello Victor Stillwater,

Welcome to EVE! As you have already seen, there are many things to do and there is no "right" way of playing EVE. Amassing some starting capital for further ventures by running missions is perfectly viable. Doing some Planetary Interaction on the side to earn a few more ISK sounds also good.

You would like to have several ships, each for a special purpose.

For the Planetary Interaction you probably need an industrial ship with a big cargohold to haul all your products forth and back between the Customs Offices and the Station. For Missions you would like to have a combat worthy ship. For Level 1 missions you can use frigates or destroyers - destroyers can be pretty fun! You can fly also Level 2 missions with a destroyer, but that will be a lot more challenging. Using cruisers might be easier for that.

Once you have enough money, you can buy a blueprint original and start making things which you then can sell. But a word of advice here (free of charge!): Carefully consider what product will be profitable and which items are not worth your time and effort. The better you prepare yourself before a venture, the better it is. You can get good information on the forums here about science and industry and about the market in general - but always use your most powerful weapon: Your own brain and common sense.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2011-10-27 19:30:13 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:

Once you have enough money, you can buy a blueprint original and start making things which you then can sell. But a word of advice here (free of charge!): Carefully consider what product will be profitable and which items are not worth your time and effort. The better you prepare yourself before a venture, the better it is. You can get good information on the forums here about science and industry and about the market in general - but always use your most powerful weapon: Your own brain and common sense.



protip -- minerals you mine ARE NOT FREE. Cool

Tristan is a great little ship for running L1 missions in. If you're going to do PI, I would recommend getting an Iteron (Gallente Industrial). Note that you can't use the Iteron until you're on a paid account.

Learn the art of "buy low, sell high". However, I would STRONGLY advise to stay away from manufacturing until you get a basic grasp of things and what their normal value is (say ... 3-4 weeks). In that time, do market PVP, and research what sells and how fast.

One of the best (and cheapest) ways to get into industry is to drop a few million ISK on ammo BPOs and sell ammo in a mission hub... but don't just go buy any ammo BPO ... see what people are flying, and check the sales volumes of the ammo so you can best position yourself to not have something that doesn't sell.

Don't get discouraged by the fact you'll be making only like 0.5 - 1.0 ISK (well, probably more... but it's low) profit on each round of ammunition -- pilots aren't buying one unit of antimatter ... they're probably buying 10-20k at a time, so what you lose in raw profit percentage, you make up for in volume. The stuff that has the better profit per unit (that you can build as you get older and have more ISK) will generally sell a lot more slowly.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Victor Stillwater
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-27 20:21:52 UTC
My first reply disappeared into the aether. :(

Anyway. Is the idea of buy low sell high to find stuff that sells well and at a high price in X location, buy it cheaply in large amounts in Y location, then haul everything to X location for a modest profit?

What is Market PVP?

What would I need to get in order to effectively research market prices?

Butt-kicking for goodness! - Minsc, Baldur's Gate Series

Feel free to read my game-related writings at http://www.gamesandgeekery.com

paritybit
Repo.
#7 - 2011-10-27 22:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: paritybit
Victor Stillwater wrote:

What is Market PVP?


Market PvP is simply taking advantage of the market situation to increase your worth and [often] decrease the worth of other players playing in the market. Sometimes this is buy-low-sell-high. This can be moving materials from one place where they are cheap to another where they are expensive. This could also be making a purchase order at a very low price and then turning around that product for sale in the same location with a sale order for a higher price. It depends on the amount of effort you want to put in and the amount of profit you desire.

Many older players have lots of isk and are lazy. Take advantage of this.

Victor Stillwater wrote:

What would I need to get in order to effectively research market prices?


You'll want to watch the market and use the in-game tools. But you'll probably want to invest in some out of game tools. Spreadsheets work nicely a lot of the time. There are also some external sources for market data. You'll find them if you look around. I don't even use them all.

One tool that I've found very useful if you're dead set on producing is this invention profitability helper http://www.evetools.net/Invention.php

A lot of EVE is easier if you use external, generally fan-created, tools. Just don't rely on the tools completely -- use your common sense.

Probably the best advice I can give is that you should be on the lookout for a player-run corporation that focuses on what you think you want to do and join them. You will learn a lot from other players that would be difficult for us to write here because it will be more interactive and they'll have an investment in making sure you are successful.
Victor Stillwater
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-27 22:43:21 UTC
paritybit wrote:
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A lot of EVE is easier if you use external, generally fan-created, tools. Just don't rely on the tools completely -- use your common sense.

Probably the best advice I can give is that you should be on the lookout for a player-run corporation that focuses on what you think you want to do and join them. You will learn a lot from other players that would be difficult for us to write here because it will be more interactive and they'll have an investment in making sure you are successful.



Read your post. Thank you. :)

I have a lot of booksmarts when it comes to non-business matters, so this may take some getting used to. I'm not exactly what business-minded individuals would call a savvy seller because I have this tendency to want to sell goods for modest profit rather than milking it for each ISK worth of profit.

As I live in the Philippines, I'm looking for an Australian based Corporation, but I can't say hello to any I've found yet because I don't have posting access to the Recruitment forums.

That said, I'll be subbing later, so that should make it easier.

Butt-kicking for goodness! - Minsc, Baldur's Gate Series

Feel free to read my game-related writings at http://www.gamesandgeekery.com

Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#9 - 2011-11-04 11:04:11 UTC
Victor Stillwater wrote:
but I can't say hello to any I've found yet because I don't have posting access to the Recruitment forums.


Did you try the in-game recruitment chat channel? It can be found if you click that speech bubble icon on upper right hand corner of any existing chat window. Also many corps / alliances have public chat channels. Do a 'show info' on a corp and check the description tab.

Victor Stillwater wrote:
That said, I'll be subbing later


New meat to the grinder, welcome. :)

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