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Hordes vs Sanctums - is there an ISK p/h imbalance or is it me?
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Mithrandere
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-04 10:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithrandere
Hey guys - as title. I am new to drone space and ratting in general so wanted to see if i am doing something wrong.

ATM I am running drone hordes in a carrier (L4) with 4 DCUs and I use garde sentry drones (L5). More DCU's and carrier 5 is on the way. -This is noticably quicker than running fighters despite the difference in DPS - I suppose travel time is the critical factor.
^ This is supported by a CNR raven that I swap out for a noctis when the horde is nearly finished so that I finish scooping wrecks at about the same time as the carrier finishes the horde. - Remember that in drone hordes you have to scoop all the loot as there is not bounty on a drone.

Running this setup I can do 2 hordes per hour - no more, no less. After keeping a detailed spreadsheet on drop and average prices, I can get about 25mil per horde, so 50mil per hour (thats selling at 10% below jita)

Now being former MM, I know that the guys there could get like 50-100mil p/h using just a carrier. - Am I doing somthing wrong or is there like a 33-40% difference in the yield of a sanctum vs horde in terms of ISK p/h? Remember the point of this is to establish the most efficient ISK p/h not ISK per site.

Help, disscussion and trolling - begin now please :)
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-04 11:39:29 UTC
You should tell me which system you run in so I can come and do a field test.
Dado Prso
Simply The Best.
#3 - 2011-11-04 11:57:44 UTC
[Thanatar]

Corpum C-Type Explosive Hardner
Capital Armor Repairer I
Corpum C-Type Kinetic Hardner
Corpum C-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Link
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Domination Target Painter
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Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I
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Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Empty Rig Slot


Wardens II x12
Bouncer II x 20
Garde II x 20
Valkyrie II x20
Warrior II x20

With this fit like an mega overpowered Ishtar you will tear through anoms like a Boss, if anyone is stupid enough to tackle you short of a super carrier you are owning it quick style ,advice above about the HIGHEST BOUNTIES FIRST is parmount.

People recomending cheap mods are stupid to be frank , more HP more resist means more bonuses and better tank which in turn helps PVP suvivabiliaty ans I/P/H.

Fly safe



Dado
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#4 - 2011-11-04 12:12:03 UTC
Mithrandere wrote:
Hey guys - as title. I am new to drone space and ratting in general so wanted to see if i am doing something wrong.

ATM I am running drone hordes in a carrier (L4) with 4 DCUs and I use garde sentry drones (L5). More DCU's and carrier 5 is on the way. -This is noticably quicker than running fighters despite the difference in DPS - I suppose travel time is the critical factor.
^ This is supported by a CNR raven that I swap out for a noctis when the horde is nearly finished so that I finish scooping wrecks at about the same time as the carrier finishes the horde. - Remember that in drone hordes you have to scoop all the loot as there is not bounty on a drone.

Running this setup I can do 2 hordes per hour - no more, no less. After keeping a detailed spreadsheet on drop and average prices, I can get about 25mil per horde, so 50mil per hour (thats selling at 10% below jita)

Now being former MM, I know that the guys there could get like 50-100mil p/h using just a carrier. - Am I doing somthing wrong or is there like a 33-40% difference in the yield of a sanctum vs horde in terms of ISK p/h? Remember the point of this is to establish the most efficient ISK p/h not ISK per site.

Help, disscussion and trolling - begin now please :)


Your math must be terrible m8:)
I run patrols and hordes every day and my profit is 50-70 mil per site.
Mithrandere
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-04 16:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithrandere
[/quote]
Your math must be terrible m8:)
I run patrols and hordes every day and my profit is 50-70 mil per site.[/quote]

No really, 25 mil per site - ill give u an example list of alloys from a site that I calculated at about 25.5 mil (about average):

Condensed Alloy 224
Crystal Compound 230
Dark Compound 74
Gleaming Alloy 359
Glossy Compound 478
Lucent Compound 118
Lustering Alloy 36
Motley Compound 49
Opulant Compound 97
Plush Compound 795
Precious Alloy 374
Sheen Compound 155

Maybe its just the local prices that the problem - time to recheck Jita prices :-S
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-04 16:56:32 UTC
Don't you salvage the drones? Shouldn't really take much longer than just looting with the noctis. As far as I know salvage is still a big part of the income from drones.
Mithrandere
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-04 17:00:15 UTC
Ha, well after checking current jita prices it seems the problem was NOT the hordes or me, but rather the selling price that I had been using which was closer to 40-50% less that jita -humpf
Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-04 17:40:30 UTC
if your using fighters, dont just clock all the bs from the overview, look in space and find the ones closest to gether to reduce the travel time of the fighters. also, templars >>>>>> any other fighter. i made the switch on my alt last week and saw a HUGE difference in damage output.