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Drone Boats advise

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Torrentula Chromus
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-19 19:37:54 UTC
Hi everyone. I'm new to the game about a week in. Have done a lot of different activities. I like exploration and would like to end up doing that inside wormholes long term. Drone boats appeal to me. Read sleepers don't like drones so not sure. I also read people having hard time with drones dying to fast with new AI. Allot of people recommend using light drones yet ships I am looking at focus on heavy. I'm not concerned about earning as much isk an hour but i do want my finds to at least pay for the drones used up.

I'm also having a hard time choosing what ship I should be aiming for since the descriptions are encrypted David proof. For example the ishtar says "its unique hard-coded drone-control subroutines" what does that even mean? So if anyone can give me some tips points me in the right direction that would be great. I would love to talk to someone who's used a lot of the different ones.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#2 - 2013-05-19 19:44:47 UTC
The AI is a bit mean to drones, but this is far from insurmountable. By far my favorite ship for exploring lowsec DED complexes is the Gila, which has absolutely no source of damage outside of its drones.

For wormhole space, you will more than likely be using mostly sentry drones. These do similar damage to heavy drones, but stay close to your ship and fire from range. So, if by chance the NPCs start shooting at them, you can quickly pull them in, wait a second for them to switch targets, and then drop them out again. Drones require more micromanagement than other weapon systems, but are intensely versatile and very effective. Furthermore, they free up your hislots for all manner of utility modules.

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I'm also having a hard time choosing what ship I should be aiming for since the descriptions are encrypted David proof. For example the ishtar says "its unique hard-coded drone-control subroutines" what does that even mean? So if anyone can give me some tips points me in the right direction that would be great. I would love to talk to someone who's used a lot of the different ones.


The description is just fluff. The useful bits on the description tab of the info panel are the ship bonus. At the bottom you will see Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus and Heavy Assault Ships Skill Bonus (or something like that). These are bonuses that apply to the ship per level of the relevant ship skill. The Ishtar has a substantial drone bay and bandwidth (as you can see on the Attributes pane) as well as ship skill bonuses to drones, which is what makes it a droneboat.

Amarr have some decent droneboats, but if you want to go as a dedicated drone player you'll want to train Gallente. Half of all Gallente ships are dedicated droneboats and the others, the blasterboats, still have healthy drone bays for their class.

Outside of that you have the Guristas pirate faction ships (Worm - Gila - Rattlesnake, though the Worm is pretty pants at the moment) and some Amarr ships (Sentinel, crucifier, arbitrator, curse/pilgrim, prophecy, dragoon).
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#3 - 2013-05-19 19:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: QuakeGod
While the Gila is nice, the Rattlesnake provides several more advantages. They both have the same amount of drone space and bandwidth, however, the Rattlesnake has more slots in which to place drone upgrades.

Additionally, the Rattlesnake has a much higher EHP, can target from much farther away, and can fit a micro-jump drive in case you get into something you're not sure you can handle up-close. Jump 100km out, break out the sentries, and proceed to kill everything. If they get too close, jump again. Repeat until everything is dead.

And while your sentries are lighting everything up, you can also be sending cruise missiles or torpedoes downrange.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2013-05-19 19:59:59 UTC
I prefer the term "technobabble" to "fluff" Blink

In the upcoming tiericide patches, the Armageddon is getting decent drone bonuses so you'll have drone+neut frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battleships to choose from. My favourite drone boats at the moment are the Gila and Rattlesnake, I just wish there were drone boats that received bonuses to webs or energy transfers!
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#5 - 2013-05-19 20:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
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While the Gila is nice, the Rattlesnake provides several more advantages. They both have the same amount of drone space and bandwidth, however, the Rattlesnake has more slots in which to place drone upgrades.

Additionally, the Rattlesnake has a much higher EHP, can target from much farther away, and can fit a micro-jump drive in case you get into something you're not sure you can handle up-close. Jump 100km out, break out the sentries, and proceed to kill everything. If they get too close, jump again. Repeat until everything is dead.

Rattler also costs a billion ISK and is very slow (read: easy to catch). Suitable maybe for wormhole space if you're very careful, but not something I would be doing lowsec DEDs in.

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And while your sentries are lighting everything up, you can also be sending cruise missiles or torpedoes downrange.


Missiles with no damage bonus and no damage mods (which you won't have because drone damage mods will be better) are worthless. Better off spending the fitting resources on utility mods and tank.
Torrentula Chromus
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-19 20:05:08 UTC
Thanks for the reply. I do like how the gila has grav resistance which makes sense for a drone ship whereas gallente have mag or whatever. Maybe that is a good ship to go for. I'll be looking at all those ships you listed. thanks.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#7 - 2013-05-19 20:07:12 UTC
Torrentula Chromus wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I do like how the gila has grav resistance which makes sense for a drone ship whereas gallente have mag or whatever. Maybe that is a good ship to go for. I'll be looking at all those ships you listed. thanks.


Sensor type doesn't make a damn bit of difference in terms of a ship's combat performance. The only time sensor type is relevant is when someone is trying to jam you with ECM - different ECM modules have different strengths for different sensor types, so a magnetometric jammer will be **** against a ship with gravimetric sensors.

Torrentula Chromus
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-19 20:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Torrentula Chromus
well i was fighting against guristas and felt the pain of being jammed. If I had to pull them in and redeploy while being jammed yeah im screwed unless put some distance. Not sure if wormhole enemies jam or not. I'm new so maybe I am looking at it the wrong way but seems to me grav would be the best sensor to build upon for drones. One thing I forgo to ask is there a site that will tell me the cost to build a ship vs what they sell for on market?


Well just read up on sensor stuff and I had it all wrong way I was thinking it worked. Thought different types were for different types of ewar. that grav was specifically meant for jamming. So its about matching the enemy to sensor type. Are all types found inside wornholes?
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-05-19 20:31:58 UTC
Torrentula Chromus wrote:
well i was fighting against guristas and felt the pain of being jammed. If I had to pull them in and redeploy while being jammed yeah im screwed unless put some distance. Not sure if wormhole enemies jam or not. I'm new so maybe I am looking at it the wrong way but seems to me grav would be the best sensor to build upon for drones. One thing I forgo to ask is there a site that will tell me the cost to build a ship vs what they sell for on market?


Well just read up on sensor stuff and I had it all wrong way I was thinking it worked. Thought different types were for different types of ewar. that grav was specifically meant for jamming. So its about matching the enemy to sensor type. Are all types found inside wornholes?



Well just read up on sensor stuff and I had it all wrong way I was thinking it worked. Thought different types were for different types of ewar. that grav was specifically meant for jamming.[/quote]

NPC jamming doesn't care about sensor type, just strength. You can also use ECCM or sensor backup array mods to help with that.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-20 09:30:18 UTC
There's one solid line of drone boats at the moment, and another that's being built: the Gallente have a natural progression from the Tristan frigate to the Algos destroyer to the Vexor cruiser to the Myrmidon battlecruiser (my old favorite) to the Dominix battleship, while the Amarr have the Dragoon destroyer, the Arbitrator cruiser, the new version of the Prophecy battlecruiser, and the Armageddon battleship is about to be converted into a drone boat.

I think Sleepers in wormholes will throw anything and everything at you, including jammers.

The Guristas boats are more expensive than the equivalent Gallente drone boats, and their missiles are secondary weapons at best; their strength, aside from the heavy drone firepower/HP bonus, is in their shield tank resistances, allowing them to absorb astonishing amounts of incoming fire. For someone getting started, though, I'd advise against going straight into the pirate boats; familiarize yourself with the empires' T1 offerings first.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-20 09:58:49 UTC
sleepers don't jam