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DED complexes (3/10 4/10) nerfs coming

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-05-19 15:37:27 UTC
more people encouraged to actually participate in non-high sec activities the more fun it is for me :3

to asplode them
marVLs
#22 - 2013-05-19 15:44:36 UTC
From what i see new kings of 3 and 4/10 DEDs in HS will be:

Cerberus for guristas and serpentis
Sacrilage for angel (also good for serpentis)
Onyx very good for angel, and (also super tanky) for guristas, serpentis
^Yeah HAMs rule again


And no love for amarr exploration again... Bad drops and no specially good ships for it like for other factions
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-19 15:56:40 UTC
Isn't Sacrilege amarr
marVLs
#24 - 2013-05-19 15:59:01 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Isn't Sacrilege amarr



Yeah but You must consider highest base resists for certain rats, to not waste slots for additional resists etc
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-19 16:14:48 UTC
This will effectively change little. In short time you'll see it's exactly the same as it was before...perhaps I'll just be flying a different ship when your site gets jacked.

On the other hand, not allowing t3's into Ded's is going to make it much easier to kill whoever's in one.
Zevv Kal'Jael
Bluestar Enterprises
The Craftsmen
#26 - 2013-05-19 16:26:27 UTC
hehe bann t3s out of highsec.. nice thing i love it. YEAH..

This easy one ship scanning making milliards in highsec never where a good idear. T3 are designed for WH and low/0.0 exploration and thats where they have to be. Not running highsec and make i impossible to do sites for non t3 pilots.

Rest of the changes.. i dont realy care about
marVLs
#27 - 2013-05-19 16:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: marVLs
Zevv Kal'Jael wrote:
hehe bann t3s out of highsec.. nice thing i love it. YEAH..

This easy one ship scanning making milliards in highsec never where a good idear. T3 are designed for WH and low/0.0 exploration and thats where they have to be. Not running highsec and make i impossible to do sites for non t3 pilots.

Rest of the changes.. i dont realy care about



Can i upset You? Blink

Cerberus for serpentis/guristas:
http://scr.hu/4s/x4x9b (defence numbers are from thermal and kinetic damage only ,50/50)

Sacrilage for angel:
http://scr.hu/4s/g3brf (defence numbers are from kinetic and explosive damage only ,50/50)

And Onyx, Gila can easy tank 1k DPS from guristas/serpentis.

Pimped but T3s scanning pilots don't regret ISK for thier ships.
As You can see those ships thanks to new medium slot scanning mods would be theoretically not worse from T3s.
Yeah sensor strenght is little weaker but better deviation (and You can change deviation mod for another sensor strenght so probes strenght would be like on T3s).
Maybe tank and DPS is a little weaker than tengus but ship itself have more EHP (better protection from gank), it's not so expensive, and risking skill loss.

And thanks to scanning changes and sensor overlay everything gets even easier.


Yeah HACs and HDictors will get some rebalance love but everything suggest (even devs) that it won't be nerf.


Another case it's HS 4/10 DEDs and myth about tengus making billions on it... well it's totally bulls... on good regions there's big competition, scanning (before odyssey) is boring and takes time, and good drops are rare. Lvl4s and Incursions will give You more ISK.

Don't get me wrong, with incoming changes i'm glad they ban T3s from 3-4DEDs (even if i need to put away my Legion) because they will get to OP.

Also met new king of WH scanning:
http://scr.hu/4s/ugr42
l0rd carlos
New Order Outreach Division
CODE.
#28 - 2013-05-19 19:35:34 UTC
marVLs wrote:

Also met new king of WH scanning:
http://scr.hu/4s/ugr42

Tengu will do better.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
#29 - 2013-05-19 19:57:20 UTC
Although i welcome the ban of T3s for DED 3/10 and 4/10 ... it won't change anything in high-sec. The problem lies mainly in the horrible "balance" of modules and game mechanics. Of course i'm talking about useless and therefore worthless modules like passive armor resi mods (except EANMSs), worthless blood raider pirate imps, worthless NOS mods and energy transfers. EANMS and repper being the only valuable mods. Nobodys earns big money in Amarr high-sec. Gallente and Minmatar space is ok ... they have a good bunch of great modules and pirate imps. But the king of the hill - as always - is Caldari space. There is indeed a lot of money to be made. How long does it take to run a DED 4/10 complex in a T3? I don't know but i DO know, that it's only 10-15 minutes in an ordinary fitted all-in-one Ishtar. For peoples staying always in high-sec, a gank fitted ship is even faster.

When i was a noob long long ago i was doing DED 3/10 and 4/10 static complexes in low-sec ... in my comedy fitted Vexor competing against pirates (and losing most of the time - either my ship or the run for the loot^^) .

[email protected] "but ... but ... we specialized in high-sec exploration - we can't do that without our pimp fitted T3s..."
It's like being a pr0 swimmer in a beginner pool.

Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-05-19 21:30:47 UTC
Pacifyn wrote:
I dont know, i honestly think that t3 were kinda made for exploration, so making them no longer usefull in hi-sec is kinda gay


What do you mean by saying it is "kinda gay"?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-19 21:33:12 UTC
I believe he means that it is midly homosexual
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-19 21:40:32 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I believe he means that it is midly homosexual


Still doesn't make any sense.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#33 - 2013-05-20 00:35:11 UTC
Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:
see the this post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3049605#post3049605 for the coming nerf not yet mentioned to us players...


That nerf was long past due. And that's coming from a fulltime lo- and hisec explorer.

4/10 should be for HAC in losec or BC in hisec (they're almost ideal for the latter, in fact.). 5+/10 (losec only except for a vanishingly small chance of certain anomaly-escalations) for T3, so they are actually, you know, challenged.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Ginger Barbarella
#34 - 2013-05-20 01:34:00 UTC
Just a quick note: taking a Strat Cruiser into a DED3 is just embarassingly fail... That's like bringing a T2-fit BC into an L1 mission in 1.0 space.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-05-20 02:58:10 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Just a quick note: taking a Strat Cruiser into a DED3 is just embarassingly fail... That's like bringing a T2-fit BC into an L1 mission in 1.0 space.


well taking a t3 into ded3 or ded 4 makes totally sin. My tengu was very versatile and thats the purpose of t3s: versatility .

i needed only one ship to do the exploration. I scanned with it. traveled the low sec for escalations with different subsystem.

with doing the exploration at first in a scanning ship and then the pve ship it is just time taking and thus making less isk/h , a fiddling and anoying process.

all my mods and subs placed well in y cargo, from time to time i just docked up droped teh valuable loot and needed to buy more missiles..

with the new changes coming the versatility drops. The problem that people seeing with t3 beeing overused for exploring will be the same and stay, it will just be moved to another ship type some day...



Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-05-20 03:08:40 UTC
Mother Drone wrote:
Although i welcome the ban of T3s for DED 3/10 and 4/10 ... it won't change anything in high-sec. The problem lies mainly in the horrible "balance" of modules and game mechanics. Of course i'm talking about useless and therefore worthless modules like passive armor resi mods (except EANMSs), worthless blood raider pirate imps, worthless NOS mods and energy transfers. EANMS and repper being the only valuable mods. Nobodys earns big money in Amarr high-sec. Gallente and Minmatar space is ok ... they have a good bunch of great modules and pirate imps. But the king of the hill - as always - is Caldari space. There is indeed a lot of money to be made. How long does it take to run a DED 4/10 complex in a T3? I don't know but i DO know, that it's only 10-15 minutes in an ordinary fitted all-in-one Ishtar. For peoples staying always in high-sec, a gank fitted ship is even faster.

When i was a noob long long ago i was doing DED 3/10 and 4/10 static complexes in low-sec ... in my comedy fitted Vexor competing against pirates (and losing most of the time - either my ship or the run for the loot^^) .

[email protected] "but ... but ... we specialized in high-sec exploration - we can't do that without our pimp fitted T3s..."
It's like being a pr0 swimmer in a beginner pool.


Best post in a terrible thread.
Lucas Irvam
The Anodyne Consortium
#37 - 2013-05-20 04:39:07 UTC
The schadenfreude in this thread is strange, given that it seems totally misplaced. Hisec T3 blitzers don't have some unnatural fixation with strategic cruisers, they just use the most efficient ship for the job. With the T3 restrictions on 4/10's, they'll just move down the line to the second most efficient, whatever that may be.

Anyone that was serious about DSP-hunting 4/10's was already in a T3, so the poor noobies in meta 1 Drakes who don't know any better will still get beaten to the loot, it'll just be a different hull passing them by is all.

The actual issue is 500mil modules dropping in hisec, and until that gets resolved (either by moving the module, or by CCP taking a hard look at why the market regards it that highly), the hisec competition circus won't really change. What if CCP had changed the loot tables so that the priciest 4/10 mods only dropped in the lowsec version of the plex? More $$ for exclusive lowsec dwellers, more hisec bears taking risks for loot (the prices would certainly rise as they got more rare, tempting even the most risk-adverse explorers), and more targets for pirates. Couldn't that be a win for everyone all around?

The T3 restriction treats the symptom, not the problem.
Jonas Staal
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-05-20 06:57:37 UTC
I am kind a confused to why this is a good thing.
I'm using a T3 in high myself, so I might be biased.

But: Using a T3 made it possible to run these sites without extra scanner, and with "mediocre" skills.

Now everyone in high that was flying a T3 will be flying HACs, without scanning bonus on the hull. Not sure how easy it'll be to scan sites without grav rigs, but I'm guessing if your skills are high enough it's possible.

So in the end the change is that T3's are replaced with HACs, which are more skill intensive to get into, and require more support skills.

Doesn't this make things worse? What?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-05-20 07:17:40 UTC
It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.

It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players.
Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
The Gurlstas Associates
#40 - 2013-05-20 07:35:17 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.

It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players.

The new scanning system makes any ship with a probe launcher on it able to scan down any PVE site, so no it has nothing to do with the scanning gap.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.