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Rex Morgan
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-19 02:50:35 UTC

Dual Character Training

15.05.2013 16:16 |
By CCP Quant

Dear alt-loving capsuleers,

Many of us here have been playing EVE long before we started working at CCP. As such, a lot of ideas and improvements come from our own experience and (sometimes) frustrations with EVE. Alt accounts play a large role in EVE so training and keeping them shouldn't be a hassle. Take these two cases for example:
•Case 1: You have an alt and you just need a few days or weeks of training but you can't be bothered with logging into your main, pausing the skill training, logging out and then back in again to resume training on your alt. That or you simply don't want your +5 implanted, carefully EVEMon-planned main character to stop training.

•Case 2: You need an alt, you create a new account, pay a signup fee, a month, two or three, then train the alt. After all requirements are met for the alt to do it's new job efficiently, you transfer it to your main account, i.e. consolidate, and pay a transfer fee. Sooner or later you're facing Case 1 because after all, your industry alt will need to invent new things, your market alt will need higher order capacity and your cyno alt could be turned into a covert cyno alt. Then later a covert recon cyno alt... then later, well you know where this is going.

A simple solution to this is to offer users to enable secondary training slots on their accounts using PLEX. Changes made to subscriptions need to be taken seriously so we in Research and Statistics teamed up with Team Game of Drones to analyse the feasibility of such a solution and shipping it with Odyssey on June 4th. The research on our part involved detailed scenario analysis of the effects on the in-game PLEX market, subscription changes due changing payment patterns, and needless to say, effects on our revenue. After we had conclusive results that this did not pose any serious operational risks to CCP or the EVE economy we finally ran the idea through the CSM and got really positive feedback from them. Team Game of Drones took the ball from there, did careful analysis on different scenarios, edge-cases and estimated the total implementation work needed to be done on their end. Soon after they were ready with an implementation, so this feature will ship with Odyssey!
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My question is if anyone can answer it. Can we train our alt or apply it to our credit cards instead of buying plex there shouldn't be a problem but i'd thought to ask.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#2 - 2013-05-19 03:02:08 UTC
As far as i know you need to use a plex for this, but you can always just use your own card and buy the plex's needed your self. Its an extra step but if this is your preference it should not to be difficult (please note i have never bought a plex, thus its hard to know the procedure).

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Rex Morgan
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-19 04:33:55 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
As far as i know you need to use a plex for this, but you can always just use your own card and buy the plex's needed your self. Its an extra step but if this is your preference it should not to be difficult (please note i have never bought a plex, thus its hard to know the procedure).



I don't buy plex either. And if your main has a credit card subscription it maybe a hassle to remember too buy plex for your alt. As well if your job keeps you busy you may not have access too Eve at all to plex your alt. And my friends don't play any kind of mmo's or game life keeps them busy and too ask them too log into my account and change skills or buy a plex would throw them into a loop.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#4 - 2013-05-19 09:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Rex Morgan wrote:

Dual Character Training

15.05.2013 16:16 |
By CCP Quant

Dear alt-loving capsuleers,

Many of us here have been playing EVE long before we started working at CCP. As such, a lot of ideas and improvements come from our own experience and (sometimes) frustrations with EVE. Alt accounts play a large role in EVE so training and keeping them shouldn't be a hassle. Take these two cases for example:
•Case 1: You have an alt and you just need a few days or weeks of training but you can't be bothered with logging into your main, pausing the skill training, logging out and then back in again to resume training on your alt. That or you simply don't want your +5 implanted, carefully EVEMon-planned main character to stop training.

•Case 2: You need an alt, you create a new account, pay a signup fee, a month, two or three, then train the alt. After all requirements are met for the alt to do it's new job efficiently, you transfer it to your main account, i.e. consolidate, and pay a transfer fee. Sooner or later you're facing Case 1 because after all, your industry alt will need to invent new things, your market alt will need higher order capacity and your cyno alt could be turned into a covert cyno alt. Then later a covert recon cyno alt... then later, well you know where this is going.

A simple solution to this is to offer users to enable secondary training slots on their accounts using PLEX. Changes made to subscriptions need to be taken seriously so we in Research and Statistics teamed up with Team Game of Drones to analyse the feasibility of such a solution and shipping it with Odyssey on June 4th. The research on our part involved detailed scenario analysis of the effects on the in-game PLEX market, subscription changes due changing payment patterns, and needless to say, effects on our revenue. After we had conclusive results that this did not pose any serious operational risks to CCP or the EVE economy we finally ran the idea through the CSM and got really positive feedback from them. Team Game of Drones took the ball from there, did careful analysis on different scenarios, edge-cases and estimated the total implementation work needed to be done on their end. Soon after they were ready with an implementation, so this feature will ship with Odyssey!
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My question is if anyone can answer it. Can we train our alt or apply it to our credit cards instead of buying plex there shouldn't be a problem but i'd thought to ask.



I know what you mean. You are asking if you could just sub a second character on you main account and get it at way cheaper rate subscription promotions offer.
Looked into this as well and as far as I understood the dev blog this wont be possible off the bat. Reason that I assume this is that you can only add 1 plex or 30 days worth of game time to your alt within your main at the time. They might look into that in the future and this feature could be come available. For now tho, if you want the favourable rates you will have to sub a second account which would be less convenient(cause you need to keep an eye on 2 accounts) but would 1) be way cheaper for longer training times 2)you can log in at the same time with alt and main 3)in the end is less of a hassle as you don't have to worry about plexing every month.

So the cheapest way (for the time being) to use this new training method is to either 1) pay with ingame isk for the plexing 2) watch out for plex deals CCP offers from time to time and sub the second toon with those plex every month.

CCP does however say you can use the feature through your credit card menu which makes me assume you will be paying for plex there and it will be automatically added to your second toons' training time.

Cheers and fly hard o/

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