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Loki Mission Viable?
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Arcano Dentist
Wiyrkomi Heavy Industries
Coalition Of Pirates Support
#1 - 2013-05-17 15:24:46 UTC
For a little over a year I have been running 4's with a Sentry Domi Sniper fit. I haven't even come close to losing a ship in a long time, thanks more now to the MJD. But, alas, it's getting a bit boring, just sitting there. Someone was in chat earlier talking about a Loki. Something about the sig/Arm.Shield just doesn't add up to me as being a good PVE ship. I'm sure it is, I just don't know about it. So I am asking the more knowledgeable players here if a Loki is Lvl 4 doable? I'd just like to try something different for a while, something that "moves" without getting out of my comfort zone of knowing my ship is going to return to the station pretty much unhurt. Any ideas or feedback?
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#2 - 2013-05-17 15:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeril Malkyre
Here's a fit I've kicked around, but never run with. It would certainly be more active than your Domi, but it would probably be slower when chewing through big targets. It has 80% of the EHP of my Vargur (super resists), does about 60% of the damage. Of course it's much much faster and smaller sig, so you can slalom in and out of targets without much trouble. PWG is tight for the LSE, hence the ACR rig.

I certainly think you could do it, you'll just use a reasonable amount of ammo. Probably not Machariel levels of ammo, but healthy. As for coming back, it's a tough little ship. Webs/scrams (and painters if you're facing Angels) are of even more concern because your mobility is part of your tank. But with that much tracking, DPS, and the size of guns, frigs should be easy prey.

[Loki, Level 4?]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Fusion M
[Empty]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Arcano Dentist
Wiyrkomi Heavy Industries
Coalition Of Pirates Support
#3 - 2013-05-17 16:34:25 UTC
Thank you so much. I'm going to give it a try. And yes I should have mentioned my level 4's are mostly Angels. Thank you.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-17 16:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

Caldari Navy Invul
Caldari Navy Invul
Pithum B type medium shield booster
Pith A type boost amp
Gistum B type 10mn AB

425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II

Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster
Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator

Adaptive Shielding
Dissolution Sequencer
Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Projectile Scoping Array
Fuel Catalyst

Not too expensive
Omni tanked
92.1/87.4/81/84.2 resists
Cap stable
832m/s
Sustained defense of 729

You could just replace the faction/dead space stuff with tech 2 mods and it will still perform quite well for level 4's
Thorne Zyman
Golden Goose Research
#5 - 2013-05-17 19:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorne Zyman
Unlike the rest of the T3 ships, the Loki does less dps and has less range than its race's field command ship. If you want to do Lvl 4 missions in a medium projectile ship I recommend the Sleipnir.

If you're set on using a Loki, go for one with 6 turrets.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-05-17 20:24:40 UTC
Loki's can do level 4's just fine, they're just do them slower than many of the alternatives.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-17 20:28:43 UTC
faction TEs and pith As, not expensive Roll

Art of Explosions
Colonel T Ross
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-05-18 09:57:53 UTC
Yes the Loki is an excellent lvl4 mission runner, tiny sig, fast, melts all frigs as fast as you can lock them, simple to omni tank just turn on everything and leave it running with only an occasional bit of cap management, time to completion is great as the thing is so agile, has 50 m3 of drone space too and really does not need much pimpage to make all the above easily possible dependent on support skills of course.

I keep the following Loki fit as a backup just for those missions where you want to quickly melt all frigs/cruisers/BCs, for BS get in close and use drones too, it really is not that much slower than even the best lvl4 mission runner ships. You do need to pilot the thing though Cool

425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Oxide Ammar
#9 - 2013-05-18 10:58:20 UTC
[Loki, lvl 4 Loki fit]

Domination Gyrostabilizer
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Domination Tracking Enhancer

Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array

Dps/ Volley = 719/ 1353 using Hail M
Speed= 820 m/s
Cap = stable at 42%
EM/ TH/ KI/ EX resist = 93.5/ 89.5/ 84.3/ 86.9
Est. Cost= 3.8 Bill ISK

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-18 21:14:32 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
faction TEs and pith As, not expensive Roll


If you have the money and you don't need it for anything why not spend it on better equipment? Flaunting that equipment wherever you do missions isn't smart of course, but the gank bait factor is the only major concern module price has. The high price itself can be viewed as being somewhat amortized based on how many ships you plan on using that module on after all. I have a Gist A-Type XL booster I use on something like half a dozen different ships making it quite well worth the price, especially when one of those ships is my tengu.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-19 03:00:23 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
faction TEs and pith As, not expensive Roll

also extremely necessary with a 90m sig.

I should buy an Ishtar.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#12 - 2013-05-19 04:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: loki energon
the thing i love about my mission loki, besides the tiny sig, the awesome speed, and the ridiculous resists, oh and the 600+ dps at 19km. is the fact that i can put a flight of lights, AND a flight of salvage drones.... makes this thing great for frig heavy missions, and even just random belt hopping on the way back from the WH after killing sleepers with the corp.



425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II
425mm AutoCannon II

Stalwart Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Med Ancillary Shield Booster

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field I

Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I


i think i got it all right....
hard to remember when im not logged in.
one last thought, this ship is not pimped at all
it really is the ship itself and the combination of skills and subsystems that makes it work
the mods themselves can be meta-ed as needed to conserve PG and CPU
makes it a bit less of an issue to lose, and frankly a ganker might not want to lock onto mine if im in PVP mode...

nuff said.

kill em all.
Guido Tye
RvB Industries
#13 - 2013-05-19 06:55:59 UTC
I use a Sleipnir for this personally, pretty much the exact same reason as you mentioned, makes lvl 4's far more fun to fly. Frigs - bc's are no issue whatsoever, and its more than capable or taking down BS's and moving around the field.

Fitting a decent tank is fine all t2 if you dont mind not being stable, flys like a small mach, and works great with some pimp.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2013-05-19 07:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
I have used this fit for low sec plex running before and it worked pretty well. It's a lot less skill intensive than it used to be - required all fitting skills to 5, including projectile rigging. I figure it's probably possible to squeeze a web fit on there if I really wanted to, but I haven't really had any trouble with damage projection.

The advice to get a Sleipnir over the Loki is sound if you feel safe in your space, but the Loki is much better at evading camps (refit for covops/interdiction nullifier) and the probe bonus is pretty nice.

[Loki, 720 Loki]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

10MN Afterburner II
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


Hobgoblin II x5

-Liang

Ed: BTW, I won't be surprised if this fit can be improved some now. I haven't updated it since the artillery fitting changes a while back.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
xpl0de
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-19 08:06:06 UTC
OP if i where u id forget the loki and sleip( for pvp anyways) and go with a mach. Ull never look back.

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