Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Emperor Salazar
1 T2 - frigate -Spider - A logi frigate to keep up with the pack

Dopu
2 T1/T2 - cruiser/bc - ew drones - ships bonused for ew/utility drones other than ecm drones so they dont suck

Jack Carrigan
3 T2 - battlecruiser - Deep recon - a covert ops bc to give covert jump fleets some punch

Flashrain
4 T1 - tender - field support - a ship smaller and cheaper than an orca to allow refitting/arming in the field

Max Von Sydow
5 T2 - low sec miner - a ore industrial / exhumers skill based t2 noctis bonused for mining lasers / gasharvesters and cloaking

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6 T2 - advanced tender - a ship that can fit a single special module that projects various effects , a cloaking field , a lock blocking field ect basicly more powerful effects than gang links but within a limited range , just look out for bombs ; )

7 T1 - faction lines- ammar / gall ( EOM I guess ) and minm / cald

Of those ideas, only the cloak-hunter and the blockade/barrage ship are really new roles — the rest already exists or are just +1 upgrades of roles that other ships occupy. This isn't surprising, since defining a role is hard, and giving a proper place in the game without completely breaking something else is even harder.

The first thing you need to do is to drop anything mentioning size or class or tech level or tiers — those are mechanisms for placing the ship in the context of the game, not to define the role. Instead, think in terms of activities and results: what is the class meant to do; what will its presence on the field achieve; what tactical or logistical problem should it solve? A second line of questioning is whether there's room for the role in the game: does it obsolete existing ships? Can something else already do this, or something close to it? What sets this role apart from what we already have?

For instance, the two roles you suggested answer these questions with “finding cloaked ships” and “local area denial”. The former seems unique and new enough, and while the latter might be seen as somewhat similar to stealth bombers, the difference in how the weapons work and what you can do with them makes it unique enough to actually be a separate class.

A. Ever heard of a Heavy Interdictor? If another T2 BC comes out, it should be something that bridges the gap between Recon and Black Ops. Heavy Recon/Deep Space Recon as suggested class names.

B. This would be useful. I see it being built by SoE if anything.

C. CLOAKING IS NOT BROKEN! GTFO OF HERE WITH THIS ****! If not a T2 Dessie, a Tier 2 that can fit a bigger tank. Escort Destroyer. If anything involving cloaking is to be done with a Dessie, make a T2 Dessie that cloaks. Hunter Killer type ship. No detection of cloaks. That would break an already balanced mechanic.

D. That would be something to look into.

E. We already have Assault Frigs. Don't break them, they're just now fixing them.

F. Just no.

And if anything, the Black Ops should be able to fit a Covert Ops Cloaking Device to make it less gimpy.

Good point.

Tossing a few ideas out:

1. Area effect cloaking field. Think starcraft arbiter.

2. Off-grid artillery - high damage, area effect splash, long cycle, very fragile weapon that hits the biggest sig radius target on grid (Requires multiple target painters.) Chance for friendly casualties.

3. Tenders - minimally armed ships that allows quick refits, repair, and rearming of other ships.

4. Spies/stalkers/hunters/shadows/bloodhounds - attach tracking devices to damaged hostile ships during battle, follows them like blood trails.

5. Mirage generators - ability to fake the appearance/transponder/signature of ships of a similar size until they attack.

6. Kamikaze - fast, extremely easy to kill, detonates (sometimes) on contact with wide area effect.

7. Combat engineers/demolition/trappers - sets up traps, trip mines, generates realistic bait, etc Maybe specialized quickly to blow offlined structures, towers, sbus, tcu's, anchored mobile bubbles.

8. Rescue ship - collects escape pods quickly and stealthily.

9. surveillance ship - intercepts enemy fleet broadcasts and decodes them

Offensive command ships. Don't care what size. Give them links that boost damage/tracking/the missile stuff.

It has long been my dream to see combat fleets followed around by support craft. I'd say "logistics" but CCP already used that word in a context that made very little sense, thanks CCP.


Make freighters and industrial command ships land 20km off whatever they warp to. Best idea.



Additionally, I propose the implementation of a new class of supercapital, the super-duper-carrier. Its role is to immediately crash the node as soon as it lands on grid.

LoL I actually quite like that not sure if I know anyone that would fly it, but still.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=305153#post305153

I've suggested some possible uses for the Next T2 Battleship...

The Upgrade to the Abaddon would be nice to see.

Renegade would be a nice name for it as well. Synonymous with the rest of the Amarrian Ships. ^_^

--- Ooh.. Just thought of one... Navigator. T2 Shuttles ^_^ Faster Align Time and faster overall travel speed. bigger sig radius.

Mostly used for Quickly Traveling through space just like a shuttle is, and could be used to navigate through low sec fairly well if you know how to fly it right and avoid gate camps. ^_^

Would allow an advantage to getting through dangerous space quicker.

Not sure about the cloaky miner or mothership, but the rest of these ideas actually fill real gaps in the EVE ship lineup.

I've thought about a defensive anti-missile, anti-drone ship a fair bit myself. What it would need is for Defender missiles to be fixed (or some other system to take their place), and for them to somehow protect other ships in the fleet from incoming missiles (whether they should be able to distinguish a hostile missile from a friendly one is moot).

I suppose the incoming destroyer buff will make them quite effective anti-drone platforms anyway.

I rather dislike drone clouds.
Instead of 10-15 drones, keep at 5 drones and give 100% bonus per level to drone damage, hit point, and speed? At max level, every 1 drone is worth 5.

Not as powerful as fighters but enough firepower to rival a few battleships.