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Omni Tank fits

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Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#1 - 2013-05-17 15:59:52 UTC
Hey all,

I was doing a mission last night with a mate and we both ended up going against Sansha ships, including a couple of Nightmares.

This got me thinking about Anti-Sansha ship fits.

Does anyone have any Tank fits that covers all damage types?

I've got a Talos, and the tank on that is good for missions, but I'd like an Armour tank that can hold against all damage types in all situations.

Has anyone got any fits that does this?

Thanks in advance.




Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.

Haulie Berry
#2 - 2013-05-17 16:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Omnitanks are for PvP, sleepers, and incursions.

For missions, it just makes much more sense to fit a rat-specific tank. You will get a much stronger tank at the expense of fewer slots - slots that can then be used for modules that, e.g., increase damage, allowing you to mission faster, and make more money.

Edit: Realized you might be confused about Sanshas, here. Non-incursion Sansha ships, like the ones found in missions, do not do omni damage. They do EM and thermal. There might be a few RARE exceptions to this, but generally speaking, tank for EM/thermal for sansha and you'll be fine.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-17 16:22:28 UTC
There's two different types of Sanshas you're talking about. Common rat Sanshas are wildly different from incursion Sanshas.

Sansha rats outside Incursions are much like Blood Raiders, dealing a mixture of EM (about 55%) and thermal (about 45%). Armor tank in that case can be boosted pretty nicely with active hardeners.

For incursions, though, the general rule of thumb is that you want 70% resists across the board, good buffer, and logistic support.

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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-05-17 16:26:00 UTC
Anti-Sansha fits for missions is less about tank and more about being able to apply dps without worrying about TD. Missiles and drones would work which makes the new geddon kind of the anti-sansha ship once Odyssey drops, but since you mention Gallente ships, look into the Domi.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-17 17:42:22 UTC
Talemecus Valta wrote:
Does anyone have any Tank fits that covers all damage types?

well, when you get good tank skills you make your PVE fit omnitanked*.

For example:
Rattlesnake for lvl4 has 2x Invul T2 + some shield amount/recharge improvement modules/rigs. You really don't need to replace invuls by anything mission specific because you have enough tank anyway.

For armor something like Dominix with 2xLAR t2 + 2xEANM T2 can be made enough with some rigs i guess.

The main idea: strong omni* tank + good DPS makes mission specific resists unnecessary.

Note: omni here is used as "without mission specific resist hardeners"

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feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#6 - 2013-05-17 17:55:36 UTC
^^ as above. You can make a 'lazy rattlesnake' if you really want to that has omni resists if you just can't be bothered to change modules between missions, it still tanks more than enough.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-17 19:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
It's never a bad idea to omni tank for several reasons, including give some work to gankers or even defeat some bad ganker initiative.

Talos is not a good ship for this "omni tank" thing, you need more low slots to add tank modules while keeping max dps ones.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-05-17 20:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ersahi Kir
Talemecus Valta wrote:
Hey all,

I was doing a mission last night with a mate and we both ended up going against Sansha ships, including a couple of Nightmares.

This got me thinking about Anti-Sansha ship fits.

Does anyone have any Tank fits that covers all damage types?

I've got a Talos, and the tank on that is good for missions, but I'd like an Armour tank that can hold against all damage types in all situations.

Has anyone got any fits that does this?

Thanks in advance.



In my experience omni-tanks are discouraged because they require expensive modules to pull off well, and you could probably fit an extra offensive module or two if you did a rat specific tank.

For example, if you want to omni a shield tank you are generally looking at using an expensive gist armor booster and a pair of caldari navy invulnerability fields, which can easily break 1.5 bil. Many shield tanking ships also have a large em hole, and you could normally be fitting an extra tracking computer in that slot if you weren't trying to close an em hole that will only be hit by a few rat types.

That's pretty much the reason why rat specific hardener setups are used. You keep the cost down by using meta 2 mods, while keeping equal or better performance. It also keeps you from being a lootpinata that gankers love to target.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-17 20:20:20 UTC
sansha+missions means em+thermal damage

not sure what this thread is about really.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#10 - 2013-05-18 04:18:39 UTC
Rattlesnake is the only ship worth omni tanking for L4's.

If you spend big and fit correctly it can have omni tank / max dps / MWD and plenty of other goodies.

The cheap version is the lazy rattle snake. Expensive version omni is just what is called a proper RS fit.
Talemecus Valta
Deep Space Coalition
#11 - 2013-05-18 07:57:32 UTC
Thanks for the replies guys.

I'll stick to the missions and get a Sansha killing ship specifically for doing Sansha missions.

Whilst a Talos isn't suited for Lvl 4's it is suited for lvl 3's.

I'll get a megathron and set it up for general missions and Anti Sansha missions, (two seperate fits).

Again Thanks for the replies guys.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.

Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-18 08:03:57 UTC
A Domi especially the new odyssey Domi may be a better choice for Sansha as drones are less affected by Tracking disruption and can do EM and Thermal Damage types.

Regarding omni armour fits the reactive armour hardener although cap intensive can provide a similar result as it adapts to damage. It is especially useful in missions with deferent rat types such as the dread pirate scarlet.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#13 - 2013-05-18 09:43:29 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
give some work to gankers.

Gankers don't care what resists you're using.
SilentStryder
#14 - 2013-05-18 21:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: SilentStryder
Riot Girl wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
give some work to gankers.

Gankers don't care what resists you're using.


If they have reasonably thought out a plan to gank mission runners, they will use what they suspect you are not tanked against, damage that the mission rats aren't using, at least if they are multispeced, if they are single speced things get more limited, Hence people PVEing will generally loose in a PVP fight, poor setup and poor group comp.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#15 - 2013-05-18 22:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
SilentStryder wrote:
If they have reasonably thought out a plan

They haven't.