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Kudos to some, Calling out others

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#1 - 2013-05-17 20:05:15 UTC
Taking a page from Poetic, going to repost my blog post here. Original URL - http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2013/05/kudos-to-some-calling-out-others.html

So CSM 8 has been in office for 2 weeks, and I wanted to offer some first impressions, from the inside.

Firstly, several CSM 8 members have greatly impressed me. Topping the list is Ali Aras, who has been working extremely hard to get up to speed on what CSM 7 has done, and what is still left to be done. The combined CSM 7, CSM 8 and CCP Skype channel has been full of a lot of topics, and it is great to see folks like mynnna, Sala Cameron, Sort Dragon, Malcanis and Ripard Teg chime in about ship balancing, while Mike Azariah and Ali talked New Player Experience (NPE) with CCP. Some folks have been a little bit quieter in Skype, though they still have spoken up from time to time, including Mangala Solaris, James Arget and Korvin. Trebor, of course, is fairly active as well, but he is an old timer, and doesn't really count. Kesper North was a little late signing his NDA, but doesn't seem to have had much to say after signing it, so far.

I do want to mention that CSM 7 lost access to the internal CSM forum, so my impressions are from Skype only. Hopefully some of the less active Skype people have been making up for it on the forums.

Those of you good at math will note that I have only mentioned 12 of the 14 members of CSM 8. The reason for this is because as of May 17th, 20 days after the election results and 14 days after the start of the term, progodlegend and Chitsa Jason have still not signed their NDAs. This is incredibly disappointing to me, and I would assume to their colleagues as well, but most of all, it is a huge slap in the face to their voters. They were elected by thousands of players to represent their communities, and they have chosen not to do so. Something similar happened during CSM 6, where Promethius Exenthal didn't sign his NDA until 5 months into the term. I don't know the story with progodlegend, but I have heard that Chitsa is on a month long tour of Europe, and won't be available until sometime in June.

Even with the missing two members, CSM 8 is off to a great start, and I personally am looking forward to the wonderful things we all hope they can accomplish this term. CSM 7 is losing access to the NDA'd Skype channel on Tuesday the 21st, and I am looking forward to playing a lot more EVE and doing a lot less CSMing.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-17 20:48:05 UTC
Too bad you didn't have the guts to call out anybody while you were on CSM7. (And no, D3 does not count.) Glad to see you've found your courage (and balls) once again.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-17 21:01:29 UTC
If Chitsa is on a month long holiday, why did you lump him in with progod? Do you think it's inappropriate that Chitsa take vacations?

Chitsa's term is not a slap in the face to anybody until we see what he does upon returning from those holidays. He has yet to prove himself a useless lump.
None ofthe Above
#4 - 2013-05-17 21:20:53 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Too bad you didn't have the guts to call out anybody while you were on CSM7. (And no, D3 does not count.) Glad to see you've found your courage (and balls) once again.


Yeah Two step was always the gutless one. He wouldn't go rogue and create a threadnaught or anything. Oh wait...

... shrill bleating of the Drama Llamaa must be confusing me. Sorry Two step, carry on.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#5 - 2013-05-17 21:29:08 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
If Chitsa is on a month long holiday, why did you lump him in with progod? Do you think it's inappropriate that Chitsa take vacations?

Chitsa's term is not a slap in the face to anybody until we see what he does upon returning from those holidays. He has yet to prove himself a useless lump.


I assume he knew about the vacation before running. It is very poorly timed, as he will have very little chance to talk to CSM 7 members, who are about to not be able to talk as freely, once we stop receiving NDA'd information from CCP, CSM 8 has to watch their words when they ask us questions.

He also has basically no shot at the first summit, since that should be in a month or so.

A month long vacation in the middle of the term, especially during July/August when CCP is basically shut down is not a problem. A month long vacation right at the start doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#6 - 2013-05-17 21:31:48 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Too bad you didn't have the guts to call out anybody while you were on CSM7. (And no, D3 does not count.) Glad to see you've found your courage (and balls) once again.


I didn't do that because I needed to work with the other members of CSM 7. I have to say that I have been a little, shall we say, less than pleased with what some of them have been saying recently, and with our transition duties finished, I would expect to hear a little more from me in the future.

I'd also point out that only 2 members of CSM 7 ran for re-election, and I made myself fairly clear on how I felt about both of them.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-17 22:02:04 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
He wouldn't go rogue and create a threadnaught or anything.
And I've credited him for doing that. Positively.

But it seems a little snivelling and backhanded to start calling out CSM8 members (in their first week, no less) when he wouldn't/couldn't during his own term.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#8 - 2013-05-17 22:09:59 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
He wouldn't go rogue and create a threadnaught or anything.
And I've credited him for doing that. Positively.

But it seems a little snivelling and backhanded to start calling out CSM8 members (in their first week, no less) when he wouldn't/couldn't during his own term.


Technically, this is the end of their 2nd week.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-05-17 23:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Why exactly do you or any other "alumni" for lack of a better term still have access to any internal channels at all? Kinda gives the whole thing an "old boys' club" feel.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#10 - 2013-05-17 23:19:48 UTC
It's called a "transition period". It's been hugely helpful, tbh, because CSM 8 can see how CSM 7 has worked with CCP by watching them...actually interact with CCP.

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-05-17 23:22:19 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
It's called a "transition period". It's been hugely helpful, tbh, because CSM 8 can see how CSM 7 has worked with CCP by watching them...actually interact with CCP.


I thought that's why some of you folks pushed to get Trebor elected.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#12 - 2013-05-17 23:29:04 UTC
And if Trebor was the only way the CSM 8 knew how to CSM, that'd be a *good* outcome in your eyes? ;-)

More data is better and with more CSM 7-ers around, there's more support for CSM 8 when we have questions to ask-- Trebor isn't logged into skype 24/7 (and neither is anyone else). Besides, I don't want just his opinion. He's a valuable source of information, but multiple opinions on things like "how do I most effectively communicate the thing that I want to work on" are absolutely necessary to get it done well.

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-17 23:32:15 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
... "how do I most effectively communicate the thing that I want to work on" are absolutely necessary to get it done well.
Shouldn't that be CCP Dolan's job? What exactly does he do? He's supposed to be the CSM liaison, no?
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-05-17 23:40:59 UTC
Well, so long as it's temporary that's not so bad. I guess it's just kind of a bad taste in my mouth to see Two Step using this to be way more "forthright" about CSM 8 than he was about the CSM he was part of for a year.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

None ofthe Above
#15 - 2013-05-18 01:11:34 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Ali Aras wrote:
... "how do I most effectively communicate the thing that I want to work on" are absolutely necessary to get it done well.
Shouldn't that be CCP Dolan's job? What exactly does he do? He's supposed to be the CSM liaison, no?


Oh now you are fixated on job titles?

I am sure Dolan is there doing his best as well.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-18 02:38:51 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Oh now you are fixated on job titles?
Dolan's title is actually a job description and he's paid to perform it ... whatever that job might be.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-05-18 18:08:00 UTC
Prince Kobol
#18 - 2013-05-18 18:31:04 UTC
Tell you what Poetic, next year why don't you put your money where your mouth is and run for CSM.. oh that's right, it easier telling people how crap they are then actually doing something yourself :)

Or is it because you know you would utter fail in getting elected?
Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-05-18 19:36:23 UTC
Well, is there a fixed and official deadline for when these NDAs are supposed to be signed? Or is it an informal process and elected CSMs generally sign it at their earliest convenience?

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#20 - 2013-05-18 21:01:49 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Well, is there a fixed and official deadline for when these NDAs are supposed to be signed? Or is it an informal process and elected CSMs generally sign it at their earliest convenience?


CSM 8 took office on May 3rd. The NDAs are generally supposed to be signed by then. It is a very simple process, one doesn't need witnesses or a notary or anything, you print a document, sign it, scan it in, email that scan, and mail a copy to CCP.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog

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