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Change Outlaw status to match high-sec systems
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Liu Bu
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-05-18 08:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Liu Bu
Why should concord have all the fun?

When your a player with a negative sec status and enters high-sec, Concord (actually the race specific police force) will take a few potshots at you. At least after you have had enough time to warp away from gate.

But why should concord have all the fun. Why not let players engage in policeing their own high-sec systems. As it is, concord is laughably incompetent in dealing with pirates unless they go afk at the gate. And players can only join in when a pirate reaches the (almost impossible) -5 status.


I propose this:
Change the negative sec status required to become an 'Outlaw' from -5 to -2. And scale it in line with the system sec status (-2 in 1.0, -2,5 for 0.9, etz)


This would create much more opportunities for Highsec players (or anyone for that matter) to engage in PvP in high sec. But is would still give the "casual" pirate an opportunity to live in relative safety in High-sec. Especially now that players can just buy their sec status back with the new 'tag' system.



Let me know what you think.

Lie
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2 - 2013-05-18 09:23:02 UTC
-5 is a little easier than you might think, especially if you start podding your victims.
Major Templar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-18 09:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Templar
No. You can reach -5 in a single night of podding fun. I should know, I was -10 for a few years. To say that anyone can shoot you at -2 is just broken and you know it. If you want kills that bad go to Low Sec or Null Sec and get out of the protection of High Sec.
DSpite Culhach
#4 - 2013-05-18 10:00:35 UTC
Major Templar wrote:
No. You can reach -5 in a single night of podding fun. I should know, I was -10 for a few years. To say that anyone can shoot you at -2 is just broken and you know it. If you want kills that bad go to Low Sec or Null Sec and get out of the protection of High Sec.


That's quite funny.

I think you will find that many players - mostly the new ones - keep wondering why people with -5 and below keep on coming to high sec to gank things like rookie ships and Ventures and so on, because in their mind " ... If you want kills that bad go to Low Sec or Null Sec ..."

People gank other people because they are fully aware of the _exact_ mechanics of things like Gate Guns, Police response times, Concord time to appear - including delaying that time by spawning them elsewhere first - and so and so on, including the fact that it is _actually_ possible to grind sec status back up in the first place.

You have become so attached to your "podding fun" that you are unwilling to see that mechanics are broken. If every week some kid put a brick through your window and then was allowed to do it again after spending 8 hours cleaning up in the park, you'd see how stupid that was.

If you use a toon to constantly break hi security space, eventually that toon should become perma KOS. You want to have the advantage of having the first shot? well, so do other people, if you dislike that then "go to Low Sec or Null Sec".

I would love nothing more then hisec being put in players hand, and CONCORD removed. Yes, you would probably lose a ton of players and the first months would be a total bloodbath, before any hint of stability returns, but hey, isn't EVE supposed to a cold harsh universe?



I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-05-18 10:06:14 UTC
hmm im currently ambivalent to your idea.

its not a bad idea for more pvp opportunities also not by much. But i dont believe that highsec dwellers will pvp often. When u have suspect flags already timing out without anybody attacking them in highsec.
Major Templar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-18 14:24:22 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Major Templar wrote:
No. You can reach -5 in a single night of podding fun. I should know, I was -10 for a few years. To say that anyone can shoot you at -2 is just broken and you know it. If you want kills that bad go to Low Sec or Null Sec and get out of the protection of High Sec.


That's quite funny.

I think you will find that many players - mostly the new ones - keep wondering why people with -5 and below keep on coming to high sec to gank things like rookie ships and Ventures and so on, because in their mind " ... If you want kills that bad go to Low Sec or Null Sec ..."

People gank other people because they are fully aware of the _exact_ mechanics of things like Gate Guns, Police response times, Concord time to appear - including delaying that time by spawning them elsewhere first - and so and so on, including the fact that it is _actually_ possible to grind sec status back up in the first place.

You have become so attached to your "podding fun" that you are unwilling to see that mechanics are broken. If every week some kid put a brick through your window and then was allowed to do it again after spending 8 hours cleaning up in the park, you'd see how stupid that was.

If you use a toon to constantly break hi security space, eventually that toon should become perma KOS. You want to have the advantage of having the first shot? well, so do other people, if you dislike that then "go to Low Sec or Null Sec".

I would love nothing more then hisec being put in players hand, and CONCORD removed. Yes, you would probably lose a ton of players and the first months would be a total bloodbath, before any hint of stability returns, but hey, isn't EVE supposed to a cold harsh universe?





The thing about this guy is he wants to live in High Sec and have a bit of security while still being able to shoot people that have done something bad. He doesn't want to have the actual risk of being shot by everyone who sees him. So again I say, get out of High Sec if you want to shoot someone that badly. Also, they aren't going to just give over the security of Empire to players because they would lose the carebears like the OP. He likes living in High Sec and having Concord do his dirty work when he's not willing to. Again, come to Null and play where you are Concord 24/7.