Missions & Complexes

tell me more miracle stories..

Group 1 in angel-pocket is having 2 elite-frigs with webs.. if you don't bother with them at all, you arrive in second pocket after.. uhm, 15 minutes +/- a few..

You can't just ignore them if you want to be efficient, period.

K, my fault at reading, sry.

Anyway, I doubt those 8 elite-frigs in the angel pocket will let your drones live in peace just because you got stage aggro. Personal experience says that it might work sometimes, just not allways :)

And yet I've been doing it like this for 5 years with the SAME CNR (I learned the sutpidity of using drones with neuts in local, lost a rattlesnake but just because I got scrammed by an npc frig at the wrong moment, but have never lost that CNR).

It's more than obvious that you have no null sec experience, why you you warp our of an escalation if they have no probes on scan? They can't scan the escalation and scanning your ship will take time, what you don't want is MWDing little frigs reducing their scanning time from minutes to seconds.

Get some experience with null sec PVE then come back and tell us you won't use missiles on small ships....


You must not have been around when they introduced precision missiles then that's EXACTLY what they are for, shooting smaller ships. Your whole "if you are shooting cruise missiles at smaller ships" thing is simply wrong, CCP gave us that tool (precisions) for exactly that. it's the same reason they introduced Target Painters (which are generally useless on big ships).

Meh.. drones kill elite-frigs while I shoot fat ones with fury's.
tbh hobgob II-s can kill elite-frig faster than I reload precision and shoot em...

ofc in hisec.. T3 is much better for hostile places so I even dont consider taking any bs there.. let alone cnr or golem

FIVE viable cruise platforms in Odyssey? This game is surely dying.

You are right, they switch aggro sometimes, so you have to babysit your drones - but they orbit you at 2-8km, so recalling drones is not a problem. And when they agro drones you get free boost of afterburner (you can fit mwd for this mission but you will have to get full faction fit because of cpu issues - and it will be worse after "buff" in terms of cpu). Btw when you are shooting battleships you can help your drones to project more damage by painting frigs.


First, I was talking about efficiently farming hisec l4s.
Second, while it is "obvious" I have no 0.0 experience, in fact I spent first year of my eve career in 0.0. That included pve in cruise fit cnr - and what I learned? Watch intel channel, watch local and be aligned. I never lost pve ship to a pirate, but Im sure I would have lost one if I was carelessly missioning/plexing in cnr with enemies (or as you callthem - neutrals) in local. Drones or not.
Third, yeah, they introduced precision missiles that were doing only fraction of damage more than faction even to their intended targets and significantly less damage to everything else. And on top they gave them velocity malus to make sure people will never use them on pvp ships. Definitely worth 10s spent on reloading.


Dont get so excited. From what ive seen, cruise buff will be cut in half in next expansion and most of cruise missile platforms (except winmatar ofc) will be useless as ever. And cnr will be left with 2 worthless bonuses waiting for next rebalance (coming in 8 years).

Anyway, as many people pointed out, just get a golem.

This is like talking to a wall... Do whatever you want, keep your drones safe in bay or even in station if you want. Feel free to even shoot snowballs at frigs if you like. You want to waste 8000+ damage volleys (to targets that will mitigate maybe 80% of the damage)? Do it, your choice, mr "iknowhatimdoing."

Killing frigs with drones and focusing missiles on bses, bcs and cruisers will still stay more efficient in terms of isk/h. Simple as that.

Good for me that "I dont sit there with my drones still chewing frigs" because they kill frigs while I clear the rest of npcs. But obviously you like to sit there while you are still killing bses and bcs because you wasted your main weapon damage on frigs.

Simple as that - if you are wasting 850 of your 1000 missile dps by shooting frigs that can be comfortably killed by light drones, you are doing it wrong. If you are killing any frig/cruiser you dont have to, you are doing it wrong. If you are wasting time travelling and not shooting rats, you are doing it wrong.

Oh, and sorry for making "general" arguments about EFFICIENT mission running in the thread about cnr named Navy Raven : The Return of the King. I bet original poster would get "less general" replies if he named it The return of the king : navy raven in enemy 0.0 and second room of worlds collide. Not using drones and shooting cruises on frigs would still be waste mr "hardcore" nullsec carebear.

Explain to me how exactly diverting launcher DPS from the bigger targets instead of using drones would make him go faster? Unless the frigs are the last NPCs in the room to die, the only thing that matters is how fast the larger ships get popped, and he's popping them faster by using the full 7 launchers against them instead of 6 while the other launcher takes out frigates and reloads normal ammo once they're dead.