Ships & Modules

Update: (May 17, 2013)
* version 1.1.1: Data fix for CNR Cruise II – Fury – 2xRigor2, Flare2 – Odyssey.
* version 1.1: Added implants. The PDFs have NOT been updated yet.
* version 1.0 of spreadsheet
- this includes a bug fix in the 0.2, 0.3 versions, in which the bottom row of the comparison sheet would select the top row's damage type. Minor but annoying.

Added the following PRE-GENERATED PDF REPORTS for your convenience! (You can see the results without messing with the spreadsheet.)
* cnr_flare_v_rigor_odyssey.pdf
* cnr_rigs_odyssey.pdf
* cnr_v_fleet_typhoon_odyssey.pdf
* cnr_v_typhoon_v_raven_v_fleet_typhoon_v_sni_v_golem_odyssey.pdf
* cruise_cnr_v_torp_golem.pdf
* raven_v_cnr_odyssey.pdf
* tengu_ham_v_hml.pdf

The reports and spreadsheet are available here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_CLlTV8bSxNMFVrdXJFdFFqTDA&usp=sharing

The above reports will give you some idea of how the CNR, Raven, Typhoon, Fleet Typhoon, SNI, and Golem will compare after the Odyssey ship and cruise missile changes.


I have updated an old spreadsheet that lets you calculate the expected missile damage against various NPCs in terms of Volleys to Kill, Time to Kill, and Fractional Volleys to Kill. The spreadsheet also displays the two components of the missile damage formula (labeled as MF1 and MF2) to help you see the impact of rigor rigs, flare rigs, and TPs.

You will need to use EFT or PYFA to get the launcher and ammo stats entered into the Missile Profiles sheet.

It was written in LibreOffice 4.0.3.3.


The Comparison tab lets you compare six profiles (e.g. HAM Tengus versus HML Tengus) against multiple target ships. A basic selection of NPC ships has been pre-entered.

The Ships tab contains data from the last CCP database dump to contain NPC information. So no sleeper ships, but you can add the ships yourself.

You may get a macro warning. You can decline to run the macros and inspect them first via Tools -> Macros -> Organize Macros -> ... The only macro that should be there is one to calculate the value of multiple Target Painters which are subject to the stacking penalty.


The main reason for doing this was to get a basic handle on the HML versus HAM Tengu and to get an idea of the Cruise missile buff in Odyssey.

Things to consider:
* All skills at V.
* All ships use 4xCN BCUs.
* TP is PWNAGE.
* No implants.
* NPC shield and armor regeneration are not taken into account.
* I had to enter ship data by hand, but I'm mostly sure the data is correct.
* Assumes target are moving at Orbit speed


Tips and Tricks:
* Remember to set the # of TPs.
* The "fractional volleys to kill" will tell you how close you are to needed one less salvo, which can help justify using faction TPs or implants,
* You can "show" columns D through Z if you want to see the NPC ship stats
* By default, the best damage type is selected. You can override this via "Force Dmg Type".
* You can override the TP bonus via "Force Single TP Bonus". Use a value of 1.x, e.g. 1.3 for a 30% TP.
* MF1 and MF2 are the two components used by the missile damage forumla (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=901280)


NPC Ships chosen.
Firstly, you can choose your own set of target ships. You can also enter new ships (including PvP ships) on the ships sheet (be sure to sort the ships sheet.) The reports default to the following ships:
* Pith Eliminator - big slow battleship
* Gist General - "small" fast battleship

* Gistatis Tribunus - fast BC
* Pithatis Death Dealer - slow BC

* Pithum Annihilator - big slow cruiser
* Mercenary Commander - small fast cruiser
* Arch Gistum Centurion - fast elite cruiser

* Angel Viper - really annoying elite frigate that webs and scrams and which drones take forever to kill


Remember, with the great "Odyssey: Missile Battleship Homongenization" in which all battleships now have eight effective launchers[1], your choice of missile platform will depend on drones (e.g. Fleet Typhoon), armor or shield tank, utility slots, fitting restrictions, etc., instead of Raw Misisle DPS.


[1] Well the Fleet Typhoon now has 8.25 effective launchers...

Could you please add crusie golem stats also? current vs odyssey

Thank you, I see there golem siege.
I was wondering golem cruises on odyssey... lazy ass l4 ship, cba to run around with max 30km-ish sieges.

or teach me how can I do it myself.. I have no idea about odyssey cruise buff other than it should be better.....


Okay I got my answer, Golem odyssey will 2shot mercenary overlord, CNR odyssey 3 shots.
And that keeps on going with all other targets.

1000 ish golem cruise DPS, thats just epic!!

well.. I have been using t2 crusie golem for months and I havent seen any defender flying out ever... okay okay, maybe couple of times.

I just did damsel in distress on SISI with golem cruise buff and every volley hit for max dmg every time.


Now we are talking about CNR crusie here.. which will have 8 launchers, there _WILL_ be 1 defender almost always picking one cruise off always

Unless they nerfed something the last time I checked the Golem had over 60 KM torpedo range? Are you trying to use T1 launchers?

Terrific, thank you :)

Do these reports include drones?

-Liang

Ed: Also, Cruise Golem?

Are you only comparing DPS with Fury or am I missing pages to the reports?

-Liang

Using Furies to shoot a cruiser results in almost a 40-50% DPS penalty... that seems really steep still. Also, I said I'd bring this up here:



-Liang

CCP???

Sticky please

IS it just me or the Tengu pdf still shows CNR one? -maybe an upload issue?