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[Breaking News] Two Capsuleers found dead in Hirizan

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Lindsay en Gravonere
An Errant Venture
#1 - 2013-05-17 16:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lindsay en Gravonere
Capsuleers Discovered Dead in Sealed Rooms
Hirizan--Maintenance Drones discovered the dead bodies of two Capsuleers early this morning. Both were killed by a single Scrambler Pistol shot to the head, and both were further mutilated. The Maintenance Drones were beginning their standard cleaning cycle when they came upon the two bodies. The Ministry of Internal Order was quickly notified, and an investigation was under way within an hour of the discovery. The capsuleers were not connected to cloning technology at the time of death, and as such their death is permanent.

"We do not know who could have done such a horrible deed," a Ministry of Internal Order spokeswoman said in a prepared statement. "We are currently investigating every lead, and will bring the perpetrators to justice soon."

According to crime scene photos, after the Capsuleers were killed, a Nova Knife was used to physically remove the Capsuleer implants from their bodies, and were found arranged next to the corpses. The bodies themselves had been lain in a sort of funereal pose, with hands folded over the chest.

On the wall, written with the Capsuleer's own blood, a message was left behind for those that found them. "The Empyreans took all I had from me, and now I take all they have from them. Now, I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. May God have mercy on my soul."

"The last sentence, referring to becoming death, is from an ancient mythological text, thought to be among the earliest in the New Eden Cluster, or possibly from before the time of the EVE Gate itself. It is an ancient 'Indus' text, translated by an Amarrian," says University of Caille Professor Arnorin Arele.

The news has had a polarizing effect on listeners. Some are glad that the so-called immortals had to face their own mortality again, while others fear retribution from the Capsuleer community. So far, Capsuleers have not responded to the incident.

Ministry of Internal Order officials are not willing to release the identity of the victims until their families have been notified. We will keep you up to date with any developments as they occur.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-17 16:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Quite a theatrical declaration of war. How droll, or at least it would be if it actually happened.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#3 - 2013-05-17 16:58:57 UTC
THIS JUST IN! I can report anything I want here, without any sort of source verification or anything!
Shakor found in a motel room with a small ferret halfway through his okay you're getting the point I'm sure.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Magnus Ituin
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
#4 - 2013-05-17 17:02:10 UTC
Capsuleers day often, those two most likely had a clone or 3 somewhere to wake up in afterwards.
chaosjj
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-17 17:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosjj
The one's responsible signed their own death warrants, i can imagine that if these two Capsuleers were part of a corporation ( something that is very likely,) will try to hunt them down.

I hope they do. provided that this story is true.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#6 - 2013-05-17 17:17:30 UTC
Magnus Ituin wrote:
Capsuleers day often, those two most likely had a clone or 3 somewhere to wake up in afterwards.


You are not terribly observant, are you?
Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#7 - 2013-05-17 17:22:41 UTC
chaosjj wrote:
The one's responsible signed their own death warrants, i can imagine that if these two Capsuleers were part of a corporation ( something that is very likely,) will try to hunt them down.

I hope they do. provided that this story is true.


You really don't understand the abject apathy that most corporations hold to the majority of their employees. Most are independent entities united by a common goal; only the naive attempt to avenge the loss of their fellows.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-05-17 17:29:04 UTC
I'll go ahead and roll my eyes at this entire 'report', especially fantasy comments from the MIO. Unless I see a verified ACN story, of course.

Or as some of our more idiotic capsuleers sometimes say "cool story bro."

When the MIO speaks, they do so in ways we can confirm.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

chaosjj
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-17 17:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosjj
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
chaosjj wrote:
The one's responsible signed their own death warrants, i can imagine that if these two Capsuleers were part of a corporation ( something that is very likely,) will try to hunt them down.

I hope they do. provided that this story is true.


You really don't understand the abject apathy that most corporations hold to the majority of their employees. Most are independent entities united by a common goal; only the naive attempt to avenge the loss of their fellows.


I was refering to capsuleer corporations, and as a former mega corporation factory employee i most definately understand how employees are treated.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#10 - 2013-05-17 19:13:22 UTC
Ah, the delusions of immortality amongst capsuleers.

Here's the thing: You will all die of cancer.

Radiation damage is cumulative, and it's everywhere. Stand in the sunlight? Radiation. Fly around in a ship and the shields go down? Who knows how many gama rays you're sucking up. Sitting in a pod next to a nuclear power plant? I'm amazed we don't all glow in the dark by now.

Radiation screws with your genes, and that means forever. Your genes get screwed up enough it mutates into cancer. Body turns on itself, destroys itself, trying to fight the ever growing mutant flesh.

When does cancer happen? When you've soaked up enough radiation - which is cumulative - to screw up your genes - which is forever.

Live long enough and cosmic background radiation alone will dose you with enough rads to turn all of your glands into rebellious little death pods. It may take three hundred, maybe even four hundred years, but it will happen.

Let me repeat that: It will happen. It's only a matter of time. A lot longer than it does for "mortal" humans, but that's only because disease & simple old age usually gets them first. But we are not immune to the eventual decay of genetic material - and this is all before going into issues like telemeres and the Hayflick Limit.

And if you haven't figured it out by now, all the clones in New Eden won't save you. Because they're made from your DNA, and they're still sucking up cosmic background radiation even in their clone tubes. And every time you make a new clone you're just copying that same ever-more-damaged DNA pattern over & over again. You're not healing it, you're just copying the same invisible scars over & over again.

So yeah, if you get blown out of your pod you'll come back in a clone. We don't die from combat or accidents. But when it comes to the inevitable sands of time... we've just slowed it down. We haven't stopped it. Cloning won't keep you young forever, either. If you're 25 when you made that clone and 40 when your body dies, well great you're 25 again but the second that clone steps out of the clone vat, guess what? The clock is ticking. And the DNA is unraveling. Eventually, death will find us all.

Only God is Eternal.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#11 - 2013-05-17 20:22:04 UTC
The biomass for each new clone is prerendered. The best stuff is from dead people and next is dead animals. They also have plant biomass.

Any cancer this body gets isn't going to propagate to a new clone.

The genetic information they use to 'sculpt' the clone is taken when you first become a capsuleer.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-17 21:21:09 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Live long enough and cosmic background radiation alone will dose you with enough rads to turn all of your glands into rebellious little death pods. It may take three hundred, maybe even four hundred years, but it will happen.



If only there were living examples out there of humans who have been alive for hundreds of years without succumbing to easily curable diseases.

If only we had some sort of.... I don't know... shielding to protect us from radiation in space.

Oh, wait.

Idiot.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#13 - 2013-05-18 05:38:13 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ah, the delusions of immortality amongst capsuleers.

Here's the thing: You will all die of cancer.

(Meaningless stuff follows)


I don't know where you've been living, but early detection of cancer coupled with the treatment techniques today have almost completely eliminated it.

Also, I am pretty sure that cancer doesn't carry over from one clone to the next. It's not like the cloning companies are going to insist on including the cancerous parts of your last genetic profile the next time you get cloned.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#14 - 2013-05-18 07:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I don't know where you've been living, but early detection of cancer coupled with the treatment techniques today have almost completely eliminated it.


Look at the Jovians. If anyone ever had mastery over genetics, it's them. Their knowledge on the subject puts the rest of us to shame. And they're still dying from genetic errors. If the Jovians can't fix the slow, inevitable decaying of DNA do you really think anyone else can? I don't.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Also, I am pretty sure that cancer doesn't carry over from one clone to the next. It's not like the cloning companies are going to insist on including the cancerous parts of your last genetic profile the next time you get cloned.


Umm... it's not like all the radiation or decay is being confined into a certain spot that eventually turns cancerous. The formation of the cancer mutation is simply an effect when a threshold has been reached in that area. That threshold may be different from person to person and organ to organ, but every person and every organ has a threshold and the counter only moves in one direction. They may not hit it at the same time, but cloning doesn't reset anything back to zero. A clone is just a copy, it's not parthenogenesis.

As I said above, if the Jovians can't turn back that genetic clock then I doubt anyone can. Also, even if you could manipulate a grown person's DNA at will you'd still end up killing them. Because even that "repair" would technically be a mutation, and we know how the body reacts to mutations.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#15 - 2013-05-18 07:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Denak Calamari
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Look at the Jovians. If anyone ever had mastery over genetics, it's them. Their knowledge on the subject puts the rest of us to shame. And they're still dying from genetic errors. If the Jovians can't fix the slow, inevitable decaying of DNA do you really think anyone else can? I don't.

They ended up in that situation after meddling with their genetic code to improve their intelligence and other natural attributes, not just from cloning. So far the only thing we have done is plug implants in our brains that improve our attributes, not actually modifying the DNA of the body.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Umm... it's not like all the radiation or decay is being confined into a certain spot that eventually turns cancerous. The formation of the cancer mutation is simply an effect when a threshold has been reached in that area. That threshold may be different from person to person and organ to organ, but every person and every organ has a threshold and the counter only moves in one direction. They may not hit it at the same time, but cloning doesn't reset anything back to zero. A clone is just a copy, it's not parthenogenesis.

As I said above, if the Jovians can't turn back that genetic clock then I doubt anyone can. Also, even if you could manipulate a grown person's DNA at will you'd still end up killing them. Because even that "repair" would technically be a mutation, and we know how the body reacts to mutations.

Again, we are not changing genetic code here, all we are doing is switch from an old body to a new one. Which means fresh DNA, fresh genome, all from the time when they were converted into capsuleers. Any damage they acquired to their genome can be reversed by just switching to a new body. Again, all DNA damage remains in the old body, as the DNA of the new body is formed before the illness ever occurred. The only thing which carries between bodies is your conciousness.

Also,

BREAKING NEWS, Ava Starfire was found eating Amarrian food, which obviously means that she hs compeltely abandoned her tribe and is now fighting against her own tribe!

Source: Me!
Mink Draumsiglar
Rust and Stardust
#16 - 2013-05-18 11:06:11 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Shakor found in a motel room with a small ferret halfway through his okay you're getting the point I'm sure.

Lies. My brother isn't small.

It wasn't a motel, but a container shelter for the poor. And the man was not the Sanmatar, but he was a blind old Brutor. It was beautiful to watch.

And he did go halfway through him, yes. That part is true.
Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#17 - 2013-05-18 11:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Raholan
Denak Calamari wrote:



BREAKING NEWS, Ava Starfire was found eating Amarrian food, which obviously means that she has completely abandoned her tribe and is now fighting against her own tribe!

Source: Me!


Well what can I say, Ava appreciates the best food in the cluster, I enjoy Gallente Food whenever I'm there, even if I have no idea what I'm eating most of the time...does that make me a heretic?

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-05-18 11:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zsaryna Adrelana
Disregard

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-05-18 11:35:09 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:
Denak Calamari wrote:



BREAKING NEWS, Ava Starfire was found eating Amarrian food, which obviously means that she has completely abandoned her tribe and is now fighting against her own tribe!

Source: Me!


Well what can I say, Ava appreciates the best food in the cluster, I enjoy Gallente Food whenever I'm there, even if I have no idea what I'm eating most of the time...does that make me a heretic?


Please report to your nearest Inquisitor for summary immolation.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#20 - 2013-05-18 12:27:48 UTC
*Looks at fake story*

Do you really think an omnipotent, all-powerful capsuleer wouldn't have a few spare "backup" clones? You may lose some memories since the last time you updated them, but you wouldn't be dead, either.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

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