EVE General Discussion

I mostly agree with OP, but I do want to leave this amusing story here.


Highsec is getting less safe, due to professional terrorists. I have the *utmost* respect for them, as living at -10 in highsec takes balls, especially for those who do it without alts. The call of this lifestyle is strong to me, but unfortunately I can't afford to do it *just yet* as I'm teaching IRL friends how to play, and need to coax them out of their carebear mindsets into PvP slowly, using lowsec roams.

Anyways, I have a trade alt with <900,000 SP, and I'd been flipping Gnosis's using regional buy orders, and selling them for like 50% markup while I waited for other orders to go through. Since I set my clone in my main trade station, I would autopilot in a pod while my attention was focused on my lowsec roams.

The alt got podded MULTIPLE times in a short succession. At first I was amused, as I'd lost nothing. Then I was curious...I started setting various routes, and seeing how long it would last without podding. Lo and behold, he got podded like every time. It's actually really damn funny.

Anyways, I just wanted to say to all you highsec terrorists, keep up the good work. I salute you.

Honestly I think miners, AKA "carebears" should suck it up. People should be able to influence your game without your consent as this game is a sandbox and an MMO. Why should you be able to sit and earn ISK all day without any risk? If you check your "Local"-chat and use common sense you should be able to avoid most of the pirates. At least I do.




This is "Raptor Jesus"-worthy.

It amazes me that with the game passing it's 10th anniversay people are STILL making threads like this. How tedious. It is not as simple as those who want to kill the defenceless and those who want to play the safer parts of the game without being harassed.

To contribute to the discussion, against my better judgement, there is only one issue. The game is partitioned by the potential profit to be made in high sec into safe zones (despite the risk of gankers, which is a danger to players personally but not the game economy as a whole) and dangerous zones, being everywhere outside of high sec. Players who do not want to leave high sec are not forced to and don't have their ability to make isk impeded by this.

This, to my mind, squanders the potential of the game's community based content. If I had my way acquiring resources would become more risk based as the reward increased, requiring more diverse player skills. Posters like the OP are clearly attracted by the part of the game in which there is no risk. I have no problem with this, but I think the game would be much richer if more of a 'profit ladder' system were implemented where it was still possible for carebears to play the way they wished, but are given incentives to go out and interact with the more dangerous parts of the game in order to potentially increase their gain.

Luckily I think this is finally being addressed in the next expansion.

All i hear is "WAAAAH damn you carebears get out here so i can kill you!"

FFS EVE Online isn't a CoD deathmatch where the goal it to kill everything that moves. There is other **** to do than PVP and no PVP like you want isn't the endgame you think it is. Easiest way to PVP is do a null sec roam. So go freaking do it. Plus you WANT to kill mining ships? Not much of a fight there bro. You can't kill carebears because they don't mine in low. Well quess what it's not worth mining in low if you can mine in Null and if you're worried about you sec status some freaking podding people in low sec.

So people like you need to shut up and stop masturbating to PVP. Play smart and work with the system that has been refined over the 10 goddamn years of this games life. Sheesh.

I'm trying not to get too philosphical. Suffice it to say that I am just not convinced that EVE fits into the category of "finite game", for many reasons, not least of which is the question of whether it is really a game at all. For instance, how would the events that take place in EVE look if, instead of calling it a game, we called it a virtual playground?



You and many people seem to have this strange idea that life is paused or we are somehow insulated from reality whenever we "enter" EVE Online, that just because our interactions are symbolic or metaphorical that there can be no real consequence, and that is just incorrect. If it were true that EVE or any game had no extrinsic meaning or value, then we wouldn't play them. Organizations like CCP and Blizzard and FIFA would not be able to exist.

You're asking me to lay out for you "how" someone can "suffer" when they lose something of value to them, but if you don't understand how that can be, well, I don't think I can explain it to you. Maybe it's just something you need to experience. Either you are very lucky, very inexperienced, or you have just forgotten what it was like to have something taken from you or ruined. To be fair, a lot of the behavior that takes place online, especially in EVE, really couldn't take place offline. There would be violent confrontation. Try taking a baseball bat to some random person's car and see how they respond.

Now, I know you are going to want to hide behind "Well, that's real life and this is just a game.", but that argument cuts both ways. If it's just a game, then don't blow up other peoples' internet spaceships (or mine internet space rocks or acquire internet space gold, etc.). Afterall, blowing up other peoples' internet spaceships has no meaning and no value in reality, so you lose nothing by abstaining. Right?

Or, maybe the truth is that it is actually fun to blow up other peoples' internet spaceships, but that very real "thrill of victory" comes at the very real cost of someone else's "agony of defeat". Not everyone has the same ability to cope with loss, and not everyone experiences the same amount of loss, not even from losing the exact same thing. Maybe the truth is that losers aren't the only ones who can be poor sports, and sometimes, the winners try to enhance their victory by gloating or trivializing the other person's loss while at the same time reveling in their own "gain". Despite all the big words you are using, the gist of what you are saying still seems to be, "They shouldn't be sad. It's their fault. They consented to the game. They're wrong for feeling anything about this trivial game. And, WOOHOO!!!! WE BLEW UP THEIR SPACESHIPS! YEAH! THAT WAS FUN!". Maybe the truth is that by not undocking their ships, the carebears are actually winning, so, like a good meta-gamer, you are attacking their underlying reasons for staying docked, so that they'll do what you want them to do, which is undock their ships and feed you easy kills.



See, there's your problem. The question is not how do I account for it, because the fact does not violate any of my mental models. The question is how do YOU account for it, since it apparently violates yours.

The problem is not: "How do carebears expect to succeed as carebears in EVE when this is a PVP game?". However they do it, they already do succeed.
The problem is: "How do PVPers account for the fact that carebears are successful in EVE when it is supposed to be a PVP game?". I look forward to hearing their answer.

Like i always say, these guys are jumping into the ocean despite the fact that they hate the WET aspect of water lol. I mean seriously, If I had the same complaints some of these people constantly have, I'd copy all my EVE files to a flash drive just so I could physically take it outside, douse it with gas and burn it lol. Why would a SANE person who dislikes loss play a game with a super harsh death penalty and universally available/possible non-consensual pvp?

Answer: They are insane of course.

It's not just gamer behavior though. Every job I've ever had there have been people who didn't like it and seemingly really REALLY didn't want to be there, but would never leave unless you fired them. At the same time, GREAT people would come to the job, work for a bit, then move up or out and every time I'd think "why are we losing geniuses and retaining idiots" lol.

Just the way of humanity I'd guess.

I hope you realise how massively hypocritical it is to make a post like that, basically instructing others to play the way you want them to while bemoaning the fact that they sometimes make you play the way they want you to.

EVE isn't a CoD deathmatch, but the entirety of EVE is PVP. That's a fact. There is nothing you do in EVE, other than ship spinning in a station, that isn't inherently related to the overall game universe and other players.

Some players want to go after the juicy easy targets, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Since you kind of touched upon an FPS comparison... if you saw a member of the enemy team standing around with low health and without any bullets left... you're going to kill him, just because. It's part of the game mate.

There's a lot of hello kitty and barbies online games out there if you don't like the cut throat nature of EVE.

Let's welcome the newest clueless goofball to this mess of a manbaby tear thread who hasn't been here for all the changes that made high sec almost as safe as null without the hassle of sov holding and intel channels and...

AH I remember the day when CONCORD wouldn't shut down warping after the first hit and you could bounce around until you decided to die to stay within the rules....when war decs cost pennies...when agent quality made people venture out further than two jumps from the rookie systems to low sec border systems...when mining barges were made of paper ... when...anyone else?

Even after all those changes high sec dingleberries can still be burned easily by any organized group and that will never change. CCP cannot patch stupid.

Inconvenience? It doesnt get any easier to kill a miner/Indy pilot that isint trained fit or shipped for pvp.

Why is it that any time a carebare uses game mechanics to avoid pvp people scream for change while those same people can exploit broken game mechanics to gain an advantage to kill an opponent already at the disadvantage, its working as intended nothing to fix or part of the sand box?

It’s nothing but hypocrisy at its best and classic NIMBY

Believe me, I wanted to the day I did the dumbest thing ever (got drunk and autopiloted a jump freighter to Jita....while wardeced......).

Didn't want that 8 bil of ship pixels and 1.5 bil of cargo pixels anyways so good riddance.