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Dual Training Is A Rip Off

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floating in space
#21 - 2013-05-17 09:17:06 UTC
Why do people in this game hate new things?
Lord Battlestar
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Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#22 - 2013-05-17 09:23:37 UTC
I know this is an obvious troll, but I'll bite.

For those of us who have trained alts on our main accounts this is a welcome change. See, if I wanted to train further one of my alts on this account, yet still keep my main character on this account training, I would have to spend two Plexs or 20 bucks to transfer them to another account to train. With this system I can pay the 2 Plexs and get 2 months of training time, and not have to pay for another account. Now beyond 2 months it starts to get more logical to just transfer to a second account, but imo I welcome this change. Especially since it saves me time if I just want to train for like a month and quit again.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#23 - 2013-05-17 09:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
dark heartt wrote:
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts


Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character.


The only place where they're "losing" is on people who make an account for N months to train (some alt for something) and then xfer that alt to an open slot on their main. And really, that's all of a one-time fee of $20 (or 2 PLEX).


ed - fixed the plex xfer fee

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floating in space
#24 - 2013-05-17 09:38:19 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
and then xfer that alt to an open slot on their main. And really, that's all of a one-time fee of $20 (or one PLEX, IIRC).


2 PLEX for a transfer
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-17 10:43:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Quote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions.


I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store £14.89 (£16.99 normal price)
I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge £9.99



£9.99 is not the new more
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#26 - 2013-05-17 10:44:19 UTC
I for one will make good use of that new feature.
And since I had no intention to get a second account so far nor to have one in the near future anyway, CCP will get money from me.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-05-17 10:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Kitty Bear wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Quote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions.


I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store £14.89 (£16.99 normal price)
I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge £9.99



£9.99 is not the new more

Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-05-17 10:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Kitty Bear wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Quote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions.


I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store £14.89 (£16.99 normal price)
I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge £9.99



£9.99 is not the new more

And then what?

In the dual training case you have a trained alt you can use without further expenses.

In the second account case, you have a trained alt you have to pay more to be able to use. Either extend the sub or transfer the character to the original account. Both options being more expensive then the dual training one. It's also likely that changes in game mechanics or your own goals will require further alt training at an unknown point in the future, so having the dual training option available becomes increasingly more sensible and less expensive then other alternatives.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#29 - 2013-05-17 10:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
I would use it to train another market alt on the same account, since having a totally different account would be a waste, and annoying to maintain. Same goes for training a cyno alt on another account that the main of that account is training something else. There are uses for it, and people will find a need for it.

Also its not like they are removing anything, if you want a separate account then go for it, others may find this option better. Either way it works.

The only downside is, CCP is continuing to promote Eve Alts Online which is where this game is or heading towards. Which can be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Elder Ozzian
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-05-17 10:53:46 UTC
I will definately purchase 2 or 3 plexes for my trading alt on this account.
I don't want to keep another account just for a trading alt if i can keep it alive with this account.

I disagree!

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-17 10:59:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.


And the minerals you mine are free too.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-17 11:04:54 UTC
SDS Recruitment wrote:
There is no

If's or Butts here

This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence

If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts

There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed

This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money

Shame on you

SHAME ON YOU


Multiple accounts are for multi-boxers. Some people don't want to multibox, but have an alt on the same account that comes in handy for things like moving stuff during wardecs without getting the attention of WTs. The way it is now, you can pay to have a second account and train two chars simultaneously. Why NOT charge for, and grant, the ability to train two chars simultaneously on the SAME account?

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Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-05-17 11:10:35 UTC
confirming the OP is terrible, troll or not.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-05-17 11:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Kitty Bear wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Quote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions.


I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store £14.89 (£16.99 normal price)
I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge £9.99



£9.99 is not the new more





It's cheaper if you create a character that is specialised that may only need a few months training as you only need to PLEX for those few months. Whereas if you have a specialised character on another account you have to continue with the sub.

The downside of having them on the same account is they can't be in-game at the same time, but for some people that won't be an issue.




I don't know of any other game where you can train multiple characters on the same account due to game design, meaning you have to be in the game to actually progress (there maybe some out there but not that I'm aware of) .
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#35 - 2013-05-17 11:12:50 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.


And the minerals you mine are free too.



When comparing RL cost difference of 14.99 and 9.99, and the option of no increased RL cost while using in-game money. Free is appropriate.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#36 - 2013-05-17 11:14:42 UTC
CCP will continue to this approach for some time to come so get used to it! The continuous driving up of prices and introduction of things like tiercide (increase bs costs) and capital rigs are an attempt to force players to bridge the gap with Plex purchases.

I wouldn't be surprised if this summer there was a new launcher released that is loaded with PLEX!
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#37 - 2013-05-17 11:15:33 UTC
Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.

Grrrrr!!!


In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really Smile

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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#38 - 2013-05-17 11:18:46 UTC
Ultimately it boils down to how long you're intending to train the alt up for and how you fund your accounts (rl cash or plex)

There is a difference between plex price (if you buy them with rl cash) and subscription rates. Playing with bought plex is more expensive.

But you have to take into consideration the cost of the account transfer fee too, so it's not a good idea to set up a long skill plan and buy plex to train the alt when it would be more cost effective to set up another account then after 4-5 months pay to transfer that character to your original account.

In the end, it's a service that CCP are providing for you, it's up to you if you want to take them up on it or not.
brinelan
#39 - 2013-05-17 11:23:56 UTC
Why should I pay 2 plex to move an alt to another account to top off a few skills for a few weeks then pay another 2 plex to move them back. Not everyone plays the way you do. You must not have industry alts or purpose trained alts that only need specific skills trained and that's it. Personally I like the option, it'll save transfer fees for those alts.
The Forum Alt
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-05-17 11:26:28 UTC
This feature is great.

My army of forum alts can now also get some skills and be less alty.