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Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-16 03:05:07 UTC
So I am a new player to Eve and I am having a great time with the game but I need advice. I am feeling overwhelmed with all the choices of Corp options that are out there. Today I got approached by a corp which was really small and just starting out but has a lot of ambitions goals. It seems like a cool idea to join a corp from the ground up ready to accept new players and teach them. But at the same time for a brand new player would it maybe make more sense to join a more established corp instead? I have been considering E-Uni has their tutorial videos really helped me and have made a huge difference and I have a lot to learn. I am still not sure what I want my focus to be, I am thinking more pvp focused but I have heard mining can be a lot of fun with a big group and exploration also seems fun. And then there is a part of me that thinks piracy could be fun.

Basically I guess what I would love to hear is advice you would give a new player when trying to narrow down the field of all the choices. I understand it is important to look for the right criteria and focus but after you have narrowed it down to say four or five what is the best way to go about choosing between those that meet all your criteria? I am an analyst for a living so sometimes I am really bad about over analyzing things which is probably my problem here.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#2 - 2013-05-16 03:08:57 UTC
I think this thread will cover some/most of your questions;
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130755#post130755

Good luck with the corp search! I know its hard to find the right one but just give it time Smile
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-16 03:16:51 UTC
if you join a new corp i advise that you join one whose leadership is not made of new players or else they realy have no experiance from which to give you proper support or advice. also if you want to pvp then go for it, your newer character and lack of experiance will prevent you from joining some groups but there are those who will take a new plaer. just be careful of joining "all in one corps" as they tend to be kinda mediocre at evrything as they have no focus, industialist who pvp on the side are likly just a place to have a bit of occasional pvp fun but not a place to expect to learn proper tactics or anything.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-05-16 03:22:05 UTC
something to remember: anyone can start a corp, and few who do start one should lead one

there's a lot of 'just starting out, grand ambitions' corps out there and most are no good for a newbie

often whoever started the corp are themselves too inexperienced in EVE to guide other players

also most 'we do a little bit of everything' corps really do a lot of nothing, or their members are doing so many different things they're all really just soloing

the very best thing to look for in a corp (especially if you want to explore or PVP) is a solid core of veteran pilots who are willing to guide the rest of the corp, with survival advice, ship fittings etc
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#5 - 2013-05-16 04:55:46 UTC
E-UNI is reputable, I'd go with them. They also have a good database of articles, videos, classes, and the like.

As for what to do in-game, just be open to ideas for awhile as you learn more about the game. After a few days, you'll likely be less overwhelmed, and able to whittle down your choices down to a few. No pressure though, EVE is a long game, you'll have plenty of time to do something else if you want.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-16 05:01:49 UTC
Damn you NC85 for beating me with the link....

OP, dont join corps that just start out and approach you. Usually they have no clue what the start and just need some numbers.
Take your time to find the corp you want.

If you like PvP I do suggest:

RvB - a pure PvP corp without the political BS that comes with lots of other corps.
Faction Warfare - PvP with some ISK making blend into it but it can harm your faction standings.

E-Uni is also a good choice. I dont like the many rules they have but in general they are good at teaching new players.

Brave Newbies Inc. is currently also a "hot topic". Though they claim to be newbies a good part arent or are alts. But they do a lot of things together and arent affraid of a fight here and there. This weekend the RvB vs Brave Newbies Inc. war starts....we will see lots of fun explosions...

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#7 - 2013-05-16 05:08:14 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Damn you NC85 for beating me with the link....


Dont worry, you still get to cover the..well night shift for me since it getting close to my bed time Lol

And good morning btw!
Merouk Baas
#8 - 2013-05-16 12:01:50 UTC
Goals are like opinions, everybody has one.

Not to dis corps out there, but their success is heavily dependent on how much effort and ISK the CEO and directors put into the corp, and the game does become like a job for them, and most aren't willing to do that, so the corp fails. It also helps to keep corp members together and keep them from leaving if the corp has some resource that you can't get solo (a wormhole homebase / wormhole access, a POS with labs for research or with manufacturing facilities, access to 0.0 space, a close-knit group of PVP'ers who are good fleet commanders to organize ops, etc).

Your choices should narrow themselves down as you learn more about the game. For example, once you understand exactly what exploration involves and the ships required, you may or may not want to do that. As a newbie, you should try everything, including PVP, to see whether you like it; don't worry about skill plans and building a character - train the basics required for various activities and do them all.

Generally, you're looking for a good group of people, and you meet them by playing the game (for example, often in PVP, they kill you, you kill them, and voila now you're buddies, hearts and flowers everywhere).

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#9 - 2013-05-16 13:15:19 UTC
Use E-UNI's guides but don't join the corp. I have nothing against them and some of their guides are second to none but they have goofy rules and are paranoid with recruitment to an annoying level.

High sec corps in general are bad unless they have a reason to be there. Don't join "kitchen sink" corps...meaning corps who specialize in pvp/pve/incursions/mining/industry/roaming/new player friendly/vets welcome/etc...they are usually tax monkey corps and just a chat box full of other clueless guys for 5% tax.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#10 - 2013-05-16 13:35:42 UTC
Choosing the right corp is very important in EVE and can make or break your game experience.

For a new player an established corp is definitely the way to go. Preferably one that offers lessons/help in the areas of the game that interest you. There are a lot of good options. The recruiting forums are a good place to start. I would advise talking to someone before joining their corp. Many have public channels or recruiters that you can freely convo. If you can get someone to engage with you to answer questions before you even get in the corp, it's a really good sign that they will be helpful once you've joined up.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#11 - 2013-05-16 18:05:59 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
E-UNI is reputable, I'd go with them. They also have a good database of articles, videos, classes, and the like.

As for what to do in-game, just be open to ideas for awhile as you learn more about the game. After a few days, you'll likely be less overwhelmed, and able to whittle down your choices down to a few. No pressure though, EVE is a long game, you'll have plenty of time to do something else if you want.


I used to be an advocate for the UNI but now I would avoid it. It has grown too big for a first corp. It is no longer about new players flying together. Been in there and didn't get the feeling of unity and corpmates supporting each other for good and bad. It's fast becoming a place where people are numbers, flying solo missions under the same banner while making use of the UNI infrastructure but without forming real ties.

They have some good people in the management but those are pre-occupied with the daily running of the corp. Then you have those who are supposed to be advocates, communicators between the management and the members/students but many of those are just arrogant, newb asses on a powertrip, being rude, censoring speech just because they can, being generally unpleasant, uncompromising in their behavior and unwilling to listen to any form of advice suggestion.
The reason for this can be found in the fact that most of the more promising people, real leaders of men are recruited away from the UNI or leave on their own behalf which makes it very hard for them to find qualified middle-management.
This is simply unacceptable in a school environment where the best people should actually be the ones close to the students. As a student, I often found myself being the one who listened and talked to fellow students and giving advice.

The UNI is now splitting up Europeans by language/nation and by doing so creating rifts within the EU timezone. We all speak English as a second or third language, and even if not fluid one can learn/improve by interacting, so I don't know why they are doing this.

Anyway, because of this, I and many like me, never found a home or purpose in the corp and to be honest apart from teaching the basics it really has none. Instead of doing fun stuff, people treat the UNI as a transfer corp to get somewhere else and pick up some free skill books while at it. They put little effort into being social and making friends because of this mentality. I hoped to find some like minded beginning and motivated pilots but ended up leaving the UNI disillusioned.

The classes are good tho, so is the wiki and some of the corp programs but most you can access without actually being a member.

I hope they are working on reforms as we speak, so I can praise them again because on itself, the concept of players helping each other finding a home in EVE is great and worth preserving.

Good luck finding a home and fly hard o/

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-16 18:58:48 UTC
Don't join the uni, we are all space monsters and will eat your toes at first given opportunity.


Being serious though, I've flown in the uni for almost 11 months now and I personally feel I've gained a lot from it, however I did spend the majority of my time with the LSC (Low-sec campus) and we usually operate on different policies and are a lot more laid back compared to the rest of the uni.

High sec is arguably more dangerous than low sec for uni pilots as there's constant threat of war targets in there without any way to really fight them (they generally fly extremely expensive ships and run with all sorts of dirty advantages that we cant match).

However, even saying that, low sec is dangerous too. Difference is you can do something about it and almost all (95%+) LSC members are willing to PvP and ready to jump to your aid at a moments notice should you be in trouble. In fact that's what many of us do all day: sit around and troll for fights :p.

If you're interested in other things then the uni can still help you out there, we have many experienced pilots in areas like industry, PI (planetary interaction) and trade. We also have a mentor program which can introduce you to a more experienced pilot to help you with any questions you might have about the game.

All in all i think the uni is the perfect place (along with some other corps, check out Brave Newbies and RvB) to learn about eve. You don't need to stay as long as I have, some people just drop in for a few months and join something else once they feel comfortable. I'm only here because I don't have the time to dedicate to the corp I really want to join yet :).
Shao Huang
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-16 21:55:50 UTC
OP, as another consistently overwhelmed noobie my advice would be to become comfortable with being in a state of consistent overwhelm.

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Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-16 22:31:29 UTC
Wow so many great responses, you always here about the ones in the community who are stealing everything from a corp or out to just grief other players so it is so awesome to get so many helpful responses and see there are plenty in the community who are happy to respond and help a newbie like me with such great and thoughtful answers! Glad to hear a few of you say it is ok if you don't know what you want to do yet. I was worried I should already know but there is so much it is hard to decide. Hopefully I will figure it all out, like I said very overwhelming but I like it because it makes the game interesting unlike the theme park mmo's which tend to bore me really fast.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-16 23:53:04 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
Wow so many great responses, you always here about the ones in the community who are stealing everything from a corp or out to just grief other players so it is so awesome to get so many helpful responses and see there are plenty in the community who are happy to respond and help a newbie like me with such great and thoughtful answers! Glad to hear a few of you say it is ok if you don't know what you want to do yet. I was worried I should already know but there is so much it is hard to decide. Hopefully I will figure it all out, like I said very overwhelming but I like it because it makes the game interesting unlike the theme park mmo's which tend to bore me really fast.

this is the newbie help forum. if you are here, chances are you are a newbie and/or want to help newbies. inside the game it's a whole different story: as soon as you finish your tutorials and leave the starter systems, prepare to meet the guy who will take away your candy, drop it on the floor, step on it then laugh in your face ;)

I should buy an Ishtar.

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#16 - 2013-05-17 03:31:29 UTC
I want you to successfully start and integrate into the game... so that once you mature, I can kill you and steal your stuff.

Pirate
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-17 05:46:36 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
So I am a new player to Eve and I am having a great time with the game but I need advice. I am feeling overwhelmed with all the choices of Corp options that are out there. Today I got approached by a corp which was really small and just starting out but has a lot of ambitions goals. It seems like a cool idea to join a corp from the ground up ready to accept new players and teach them. But at the same time for a brand new player would it maybe make more sense to join a more established corp instead? I have been considering E-Uni has their tutorial videos really helped me and have made a huge difference and I have a lot to learn. I am still not sure what I want my focus to be, I am thinking more pvp focused but I have heard mining can be a lot of fun with a big group and exploration also seems fun. And then there is a part of me that thinks piracy could be fun.

Basically I guess what I would love to hear is advice you would give a new player when trying to narrow down the field of all the choices. I understand it is important to look for the right criteria and focus but after you have narrowed it down to say four or five what is the best way to go about choosing between those that meet all your criteria? I am an analyst for a living so sometimes I am really bad about over analyzing things which is probably my problem here.


Don't join the new player corp. A bunch of newbies with no idea what to do will probably result in wardecs which you don't know how to handle (PROTIP: not logging on/not undocking/corp hopping etc aren't really the best way to handle such things and are a waste of your game time). That or the CEO is probably running a scam.

There are lots of choices for decent out there, but it all depends what you want to do in game. If you're an analyst by nature, PVP is actually surprisingly fun. It gives you chance to dissect your fit, your opponents' fits, what happened in the battle what went wrong etc. The most important thing is to find a bunch of people you click with. Do things or try things in game, find like minded people, strike up some conversations and check out their public channels. Also, killboards give a good indicator of the corp's main activities.

The above is probably covered in more detail some of the guides posted by others above.

Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-17 12:17:04 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
Wow so many great responses, you always here about the ones in the community who are stealing everything from a corp or out to just grief other players so it is so awesome to get so many helpful responses and see there are plenty in the community who are happy to respond and help a newbie like me with such great and thoughtful answers! Glad to hear a few of you say it is ok if you don't know what you want to do yet. I was worried I should already know but there is so much it is hard to decide. Hopefully I will figure it all out, like I said very overwhelming but I like it because it makes the game interesting unlike the theme park mmo's which tend to bore me really fast.


Joining public chat channels is probably one of the best bits of advice - its a lot better to talk to people and figure if you're a good fit, than end up with a scratchy corp history that makes people go 'hmmmm'.

People have talked about killboards - www.eve-kill.net is a good one. Plug the name of a corp, alliance or person into the seach function and you'll get an idea of who and what they are shooting at, and who or what is shooting at them (note logi pilots and cloaky scouts wont show much on killboards).

There are also open-access chat channels - for example Bombers Bar, which is for stealth bombers and similar.

Finally, if you just want to get a couple of stacks of cheap frigates blown up, faction warfare is a good option - create a killboard history, maybe even get a few kills, and get to know people from the various FW chat channels.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#19 - 2013-05-17 12:29:02 UTC
Kessara Celestine wrote:
Wow so many great responses, you always here about the ones in the community who are stealing everything from a corp or out to just grief other players so it is so awesome to get so many helpful responses and see there are plenty in the community who are happy to respond and help a newbie like me with such great and thoughtful answers!



Yeah some of us thieving, nub killin, leetz hakzors pvpeeer dirtballs are still helpful to new guys when they ask about stuff. Lol
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-17 13:23:58 UTC
I think one very important thing to remember is that in this game you are the master of your own destiny and no one else.
As a new player you have every right in the world to pick and drop corps like choosing fruit at the store until you find the right one for you. Blink

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