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Attribute Implants

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-16 17:48:24 UTC
Earlier today I wanted to go jump into a rifter and fly out to low sec and just see what happened. It's something I've never done and I thought it would be fun...this must be the 10th time or so I've thought of doing this and every single time I decide not to because of my attribute implants. I don't want to risk losing the faster training times by either using a jump clone or losing the clone with the implants.
Anyone else have this issue? I feel like it's keeping me from playing the game lol.
Also do you think the removal of attribute enhancing implants would be a good thing for the game? Just curious to hear from some others about this topic.
ian papabear
No Regard.
#2 - 2013-05-16 17:50:12 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Earlier today I wanted to go jump into a rifter and fly out to low sec and just see what happened. It's something I've never done and I thought it would be fun...this must be the 10th time or so I've thought of doing this and every single time I decide not to because of my attribute implants. I don't want to risk losing the faster training times by either using a jump clone or losing the clone with the implants.
Anyone else have this issue? I feel like it's keeping me from playing the game lol.
Also do you think the removal of attribute enhancing implants would be a good thing for the game? Just curious to hear from some others about this topic.



stop with your trolling

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-16 17:51:13 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Earlier today I wanted to go jump into a rifter and fly out to low sec and just see what happened. It's something I've never done and I thought it would be fun...this must be the 10th time or so I've thought of doing this and every single time I decide not to because of my attribute implants. I don't want to risk losing the faster training times by either using a jump clone or losing the clone with the implants.
Anyone else have this issue? I feel like it's keeping me from playing the game lol.
Also do you think the removal of attribute enhancing implants would be a good thing for the game? Just curious to hear from some others about this topic.



stop with your trolling


It's not a troll...I was just curious to hear others views on it since I feel like it's keeping me from doing all the things in EVE that I want to do.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-05-16 17:56:25 UTC
Why remove them from the game when you can just avoid using them yourself?

Oh god.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-16 17:58:37 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Earlier today I wanted to go jump into a rifter and fly out to low sec and just see what happened. It's something I've never done and I thought it would be fun...this must be the 10th time or so I've thought of doing this and every single time I decide not to because of my attribute implants. I don't want to risk losing the faster training times by either using a jump clone or losing the clone with the implants.
Anyone else have this issue? I feel like it's keeping me from playing the game lol.
Also do you think the removal of attribute enhancing implants would be a good thing for the game? Just curious to hear from some others about this topic.


That's actually a common problem especially towards the beginning of the game, doesn't help needing 8.0 standing to get your own JC.
ian papabear
No Regard.
#6 - 2013-05-16 18:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ian papabear
I wish for a day where people on forums would post about real issues of the game, everything people complain about are just things that if fixed would make the game more convenient for them. most of the issues people post about actually do not hinder people's game in any way

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2013-05-16 18:07:10 UTC
The 8.0 standing thing for JCs seems-- really weird. Arbitrary. I mean, why? To force people to use Rorqual clone facilities?

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-05-16 18:13:33 UTC
ian papabear wrote:
I wish for a day where people on forums would post about real issues of the game, everything people complain about are just things that if fixed would make the game more convenient for them. most of the issues people post about actually do not hinder people's game in any way


It is a real issue for obviously more people than just myself. I just think if there were no attribute enhancing implants at all more people would be out there taking risks instead of hanging around high sec or docked because our implants are too important to us. This is a forum btw incase you were unaware, it's for discussions about any and everything EVE related...not just issues YOU feel are important. I think having Pandemic Legion under your name has gone right to your head.

Riot Girl wrote:
Why remove them from the game when you can just avoid using them yourself?



Im not demanding they be removed, I was just looking to hear from others about the issue I am having with them. I would like nothing more than to avoid using them or lose them for all I care. But it's not that simple for everyone lol. All of my characters are using +5's. For someone like myself who has never left high sec...it's an expensive thing to replace if lost. But if they didn't exist anymore I think others like myself who avoid pvp/lowsec/null/wh space would very much go to those places and exp the other things this game has to offer.
I want to do other things and take risks in the game, but for whatever reason can't force myself to do it because if I lose my implants I gain a ton of training time.

If they removed them they could increase the base attributes slightly(not too much) and then get rid of that bonus. They got rid of learning skills because well nobody wanted to spend their first week or 3 learning learning skills before playing the game. I think removing the implants that do the exact same thing as those skills could be a positive thing.
Sab Sab Five
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-16 18:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Sab Sab Five
the time lost popping into a jump clone and wandering around low sec will be made up in the excitement of the action. Also, unless you are using badass implants, it really isnt that much time loss.

be prepared to lose your rifter, and to be chased around, and probably to die. But then again, that is part of the fun.

on edit: removing the implants would be a bad idea because its one more thing that creates risk in activities. If you want to train skills at the maximum rate, you then must wear the expensive implants, and also assume the risk of losing those fellas if you are not paying attention. Its a good design, makes pilots far more conscious of what they are doing after losing some planted meat.

yes its a bit of a money sink, and yes there are time elements involved, but neither is so great that they should be removed. Implants are the reason that podding exists, that and clones. There must be levels of risk.

Also, whether by intention or not, having expensive implants that can be potentially lost makes the podding equation that much more interesting. Will the enemy be chivalrous and honorably let the miner's pod go unmolested, or be a pirate and destroy all traces of the pilot? These option allow players to further define themselves than simply kill kill kill. In this way, the pvp is enriched, as well as the act of pvp'ing. It would be a shame if this game lost that intricacy.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#10 - 2013-05-16 18:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
Six Six Six wrote:
That's actually a common problem especially towards the beginning of the game, doesn't help needing 8.0 standing to get your own JC.



Problem solved:

Estel Arador

I promise that Republic Military School won't be angry if you pop into EACS for a day to install some jump clones.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-16 18:21:37 UTC
Sab Sab Five wrote:
the time lost popping into a jump clone and wandering around low sec will be made up in the excitement of the action. Also, unless you are using badass implants, it really isnt that much time loss.

be prepared to lose your rifter, and to be chased around, and probably to die. But then again, that is part of the fun.


I do want to lose my rifter, I wanna get out there and have the fun I know I am missing. But without the +5's it adds days on my skills lol. Which is where my problem is. Ugh.... maybe I should just fly my pod out to low and lose it on purpose....at least I'd be rid of the damn things lol.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#12 - 2013-05-16 18:22:08 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I want to do other things and take risks in the game,


No you don't, or you would be.

You're playing EVE exactly how you want to be playing it. Risk averse and safe. The implants are an excuse.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-16 18:22:37 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

Also do you think the removal of attribute enhancing implants would be a good thing for the game? Just curious to hear from some others about this topic.



As for this, yes, I do think their removal would be a good thing just as the removal of learning skill books was a good thing.

There are plenty of skills to train without needing them, people run out of things they want to train because they limit their characters in their roles or because the share roles across their alts.


If it was me I'd get rid of learning implants and add +4 to each attribute but allow those extra ones to be moved via remaps. +4 because that's probably around the average being used throughout the universe on played characters (excluding specials with limited training that don't require implants).
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-05-16 18:25:38 UTC
No, it's not a real issue. It's all in your head (pun intended), you are risk averse and wearing what you can't afford to lose.

Nobody forced you to put in those implants, it was your choice. Guess you got full sets of +5s as well.

Anyway, getting podded is not very common in lowsec. It happens every now and then in wormholes, and more frequently in null.

Can you explain why most people don't wear full sets of +5s, and why many people risk much more valuable implant sets everyday?

P.S. Have you calculated how much SP you have gained by wearing +5s instead of affordable set of two +4s? I'm asking because most people who swear by them haven't calculated it.

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-16 18:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Domanique Altares wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
That's actually a common problem especially towards the beginning of the game, doesn't help needing 8.0 standing to get your own JC.



Problem solved:

Estel Arador

I promise that Republic Military School won't be angry if you pop into EACS for a day to install some jump clones.


So you suggest leaving the NPC corp to get jump clones, it's always been the case before that if you leave an NPC starter corp to join a player corp when you leave that player corp you end up in a different NPC corp. So what makes you think I want to be in a different NPC corp?

Or has this changed and I didn't get the memo?
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-16 18:27:00 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I want to do other things and take risks in the game,


No you don't, or you would be.

You're playing EVE exactly how you want to be playing it. Risk averse and safe. The implants are an excuse.



You're right...people always do what they want and nothing ever EVER prevent's them from doing so. Roll
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#17 - 2013-05-16 18:27:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Go fly into low sec wth your rifter. get blown up. Get podded.

Just buy some new implants and get on with playing EVE, and having fun.

What's the big deal? ISK is meaningless.....if you are stopping yourself from having fun because you might have to spend a few million ISK to replace stuff, then you're playing the wrong game.

CEO, Banana Moon Industries. Alliance Diplomat, Rim Worlds Protectorate
Danni stark
#18 - 2013-05-16 18:29:05 UTC
i don't pvp because i might lose +4s.

i simply prefer a faster training time to pvping.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#19 - 2013-05-16 18:30:15 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
That's actually a common problem especially towards the beginning of the game, doesn't help needing 8.0 standing to get your own JC.



Problem solved:

Estel Arador

I promise that Republic Military School won't be angry if you pop into EACS for a day to install some jump clones.


So you suggest leaving the NPC corp to get jump clones, it's always been the case before that if you leave and NPC starter corp to join a player corp when you leave that player corp you end up in a different NPC corp. So what makes you think I want to be in a different NPC corp?

Or has this changed and I didn't get the memo?


Nothing makes me think it. You're obviously quite happy huddled in the protection afforded by RMS. I'm simply pointing out options to the more enterprising individuals among us.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#20 - 2013-05-16 18:31:00 UTC
Not sure if troll or really stupid...

Can someone explain to this guy what a jump clone is?

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