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Hinikal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-15 23:49:41 UTC
First off, I'm loving it so far and I've not even gotten the chance to shoot at anything except NPC ships so far.

After asking around in Rookie Help channel I've learned it's best to train for something like the rifer and then do some core skills along with learning the skills needed to warp disrupt and web something. So that's currently what I'm doing while working through the tutorials.

When considering corps that might train me in Pvp, how long should I wait before applying? Or how much SP should I expect to have before they might consider me worth training.

Also! Who are they? Should I just post in the recruitment forums?
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#2 - 2013-05-16 00:00:49 UTC
Hey there and welcome to EVE Big smile

I would say that you should join a corp as soon as you find one you are comfortable joining. Dont worry about SP and similar, if you have a good attitude even corps that have a SP requirement often use it as a guideline and dont reject anyone who does not meet it.

I would also suggest that you read over this thread (both the guide it self and the posts) which will help you on how to find a corp, and how to find information that can help you make a decision.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16943&find=unread

Phoibe Enterprises

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2013-05-16 00:13:04 UTC
Hinikal wrote:
When considering corps that might train me in Pvp, how long should I wait before applying? Or how much SP should I expect to have before they might consider me worth training.

If you have the right attitude (i.e. you don't mind dying often, willing to learn, patient, personable) then you can start applying right away.

Try applying in...

- corporations engaged in "Faction Warfare" (see: massive war dec between different factions... mostly exists in low security space)...
- "Red vs Blue" (see: two corporations based in high security space named "Red Federation" and "Blue Republic" that are in a constant state of "friendly war" with each other)...
- corporations that are focused in a PvP related activity you are interested in...
- TEST alliance (if you are a member of the Reddit forums)...
- Goonswarm (if you are a member of the SomethingAwful forums).

Just keep in mind that corporate experiences vary. You may go through a whole slew of corps before you find the right one.

How did you Veterans start?
Hinikal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-05-16 00:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hinikal
Thanks for the guide, after enduring the recruitment channel for only a short time I can fully understand why you dislike it!

The forums sounds like my best bet so I'll try to make a decent forum post and sell myself. See how that goes.

Are there any training corps worth keeping an eye open for?

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Not a member of any forums that you mentioned but are they worth checking out?
Yuna Talie-Kuo
Laborantem Societatis
#5 - 2013-05-16 00:22:13 UTC
Hinikal wrote:
First off, I'm loving it so far and I've not even gotten the chance to shoot at anything except NPC ships so far.

After asking around in Rookie Help channel I've learned it's best to train for something like the rifer and then do some core skills along with learning the skills needed to warp disrupt and web something. So that's currently what I'm doing while working through the tutorials.

When considering corps that might train me in Pvp, how long should I wait before applying? Or how much SP should I expect to have before they might consider me worth training.

Also! Who are they? Should I just post in the recruitment forums?


1. Good, at least you're doing something neat.

2. Rifters are some of the most used ships in the game. Mostly because they're very versatile at what you wanna do.

3. Propulsion Jamming skill to Level II. It's all you really need for that Warp Disruptor II. The Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor stasis web is Level 1, and does as much as a Tech II web, but with lower requirements and CPU usage.

4. Joining a corporation? If anything, they'll let you in scot free (Asides from the spy checks). PvP is something even a 3 day old novice can do. Just that more SP = more effectiveness in combat.

Just note that if you plan to use Rifters, you need to specialize a little into the Minmatar tree of Autcannons, Artillery, and speed.

If that's not your playstyle, try something else.

YTK

I don't always do shit. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#6 - 2013-05-16 00:24:01 UTC
I would suggest Eve Uni if you want to just spend some time and learn the game.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_University_(Player_corporation)

However, there are a lot of mixed feelings and reports from people who have been a part of Eve Uni, and having never been a member my self i cant say who is right and who is wrong. But i can tell you that i love seeing Eve Uni in a new recruits employment history and so far the members i have met from there have shown good attitude, and a decent understanding of the game.

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#7 - 2013-05-16 00:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Nurgle
Hinikal wrote:
Thanks for the guide, after enduring the recruitment channel for only a short time I can fully understand why you dislike it!

The forums sounds like my best bet so I'll try to make a decent forum post and sell myself. See how that goes.

Are there any training corps worth keeping an eye open for?

+

Not a member of any forums that you mentioned but are they worth checking out?



Thank god you didn't stick to the Recruitment Channel. That place is evil.

As for training corps, EVE-Uni springs to mind. For PvP, Agony Unleashed, or Noir Academy(If you work hard, and learn, you can graduate into Noir. who are one of the most ruthless and effective Merc Corps around.)

http://www.eveuniversity.org/

http://www.agony-unleashed.com/

http://noirmercs.com/forum.php?s=64d66d6ec7955c095257bcd71e1e39c2
Hinikal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-05-16 00:32:21 UTC
All good advice.

At the moment I've decided just to buy a plex a month to fund the losses I'm sure to have as I can't see myself running missions and/or mining. At least now just now anyway.

Already looking at those links for Agony and Noir, from what I've been reading so far both of them sound good at what they do.
Hinikal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-05-16 00:48:51 UTC
Hmm Noir requires 5mill SP, so I'll have to wait a couple of months before trying for them.

The Agony bunch will require me getting some funds together, easy enough if I sell the plex.

Still, it's something to aim for. In the meantime I can just keep my eyes open and see if I can find other folks to fly and die with in the meantime! Big smile
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#10 - 2013-05-16 01:09:43 UTC
Hinikal wrote:
Hmm Noir requires 5mill SP, so I'll have to wait a couple of months before trying for them.

The Agony bunch will require me getting some funds together, easy enough if I sell the plex.

Still, it's something to aim for. In the meantime I can just keep my eyes open and see if I can find other folks to fly and die with in the meantime! Big smile


I cant speak for Noir. but remember that the SP is for many (as mentioned) just a guideline. Talk to them, hang around in their public channels and let them get to know you. If they like yuo they might let you in before you have the SP they ask. But also keep in mind that just because you meet all the requirements a recruiter can still turn you down if they dont like your attitude or you give them a bad impression. Unless its a really lazy recruiter, in that case its pretty easy to get in anywhere Lol

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#11 - 2013-05-16 01:13:12 UTC
Also would like to add in.. Buying plex's might seem easy and a fast way to get ISK but you really should try to find some way to make ISK ingame.

There are many ways to do this that does not involve missions or mining, and with a game like EVE you can make ISK in very creative ways, some that will allow you to do what you enjoy and use your real life skills (making banners as an example), and some that are almost completely passive after you have it set up.

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Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#12 - 2013-05-16 01:39:05 UTC
Hinikal wrote:
Thanks for the guide, after enduring the recruitment channel for only a short time I can fully understand why you dislike it!

The forums sounds like my best bet so I'll try to make a decent forum post and sell myself. See how that goes.

Are there any training corps worth keeping an eye open for?

+

Not a member of any forums that you mentioned but are they worth checking out?


You have little to nothing to offer to the better corps. People who will respond to you through the recruitment forums will mostly be desperate for members or just bad CEOs. You are better off reading corp posts that are open to new recruits and have some or high standards. Once you read a description that feels "hey, that's me" you go to them and be as persistent as you can be. It's the bulldog that goes home with the bone, not the pussycat.

Don't forget it is who you join that will make or break you in EVE. If you have a bad experience you'll be gone before your third month. Be selective when looking for a corp and there is nothing wrong with turning people down if you feel they aren't a fit for you, especially when it comes to character. Nothing worse then spending hours at a time on a mic with someone you detest more then that ******* who made a move on your girl. If you are that *******, better to form your own corp.

Brings me to my last point. A good corp will always expect you to have a microphone and be on teamspeak/jabber/mumble/... when you play. Communication is of vital importance for fleet success, so corps without comms, skip...

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
Vega Makutu
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-05-16 02:08:51 UTC
Hinikal wrote:
Are there any training corps worth keeping an eye open for?


Depends on what you want to learn about. Eve-uni covers almost everything, IMO. Corps like Agony Unleashed focus more on PvP. I notice no one mentioned the Open University of Celestial Hardship...;)

Basically, whatever you want to learn, there's a training corp for it.
Keith Gavner
Nomura Industries
#14 - 2013-05-16 05:40:02 UTC
For Noir. Academy, the sp requirement is a hard requirement mostly because the new bros fly interceptors and stealth bombers in fleets. If you can't fly them, you will be a lot more limited.
I thought that the sp requirements was 2m sp, but I have not checked recently.

I would advise against E uni, few corps are great to start in PvP.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#15 - 2013-05-16 06:18:32 UTC
Like others have said, if you want to get into pvp, you can start something like yesterday.

There are a lot of corporations who are willing to take a new guy with a brain in their head and help them learn. Very few of them advertise. Pretty much none answer to recruitment requests by new guys. Problem, yes. No, I don't have a solution. Maybe join Factional Warfare and then ask around?

As a newbie, avoid anyone who makes you give them stuff (beyond a reasonable corp tax) instead of giving you stuff. Either they are worthless in logistics or they are scamming you.

(And if you are you into roleplaying, you could talk to me more somewhere more private. We are not pvp-focused only, but we can help you to a start until you have more SP to apply to a bigger name.)
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#16 - 2013-05-16 06:37:36 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:


(And if you are you into roleplaying, you could talk to me more somewhere more private. We are not pvp-focused only, but we can help you to a start until you have more SP to apply to a bigger name.)


This, if roleplaying is your thing EM is very involved in it (from what i have seen), and they are all around good people. If nothing else they would point you in the right direction to where you could get more involved in things like this Big smile

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#17 - 2013-05-16 07:08:45 UTC
^ Thanks. :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-05-16 08:35:16 UTC
Just signing in to say that all the above advice is spot on.

Plenty of learning corps in EVE you only need to find them. Lots of good corps dont actively hunt for new souls to add for their group.

And I really like the OP's attitude.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-05-16 09:19:33 UTC
OP...

You are one of my FAV type of new players. I am not going advertise any corp since that is up to you.

What I will offer.. if you have any PVP questions you are free to mail my anytime.

Kane

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Hinikal
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-05-16 12:32:18 UTC
Great, I'll look you up in game.

After loitering around in the Noir Academy channel I got some good advice! One of them mentioned the R v B Ganked nights on a Saturday as a good way of getting my feet wet or pod shell scarred. Which led me to another good bit of info, getting a jump clone from one of free services!

That way I can keep my precious implants and just clone for a couple of days and hassle someone before losing my ship! Smile
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