EVE General Discussion

I know what I meant

It takes money to make money, even in New Eden.

Tears included.

Having the right to do something and having the ability to do something are separate issues. I have the ability to go next door right now and burn my neighbors house down. That doesn't mean he consented to have his house burnt down.



I disagree. I think it's perfectly reasonable to not want to be someone else's toy. I think if "PVPers" were really that, they would hop in a mining barge and out-mine the miner, or hop in a mission boat and out-mission the missioner, or hop in a freighter and out-haul the space trucker. And, to be fair, I have seen plenty of players put themselves into a real contest against a worthy opponent, but that's not what we're talking about here.

I think what a lot of the supposed PVPers really want is not any sort of test of their own merit against their fellow man, but rather, they want . . . to play God. They want to exercise power. They want to exert control. This is an MMORPG, after all, and a very special one at that. In many other MMORPGs, you can be on relatively equal footing with just about any other player after a month or two of grinding. In EVE, the imbalance tends to remain fairly static. A miner will probably never be able to go toe-to-toe with a strictly combat focused character. So, to ask that a miner or hauler or trader undock a ship and do combat against such an opponent is basically asking that miner, hauler, trader, etc. to be the other player's toy. To ask the miner or hauler or trader to focus on combat skills is asking them to do something that may not be fun to them. Then, what is left besides abstinence from PVP?

It should be no surprise that people don't readily volunteer to be the mouse in a game of cat-and-mouse.

You're not expected to accept x losses per x gains, you're expected to accept the possibility of a loss, period. It's not something you can put in a spreadsheet like every other part of the game, it's just something you accept as a reality of the game.

It's this thing that the wretches cannot accept, and they demand changes that give them perfect safety and allow them to play in their own little bubble, generating massive amounts of ISK to cash out with.

EVE isn't a hellish fragfest like Darkfall and it shouldn't be, but it also shouldn't be Friendship is Magic: Space Adventures. If you can't accept the possibility that somebody somewhere might consider you a target, you're playing the wrong game.

What fight
there is no fight only thing i see is alot of whinning on the forums demanding that CCP changes this or that game mechanic so they can kill thir targets easier or that they are better defended against ganks
or demanding that any other playstyle except their own is banned
and these come from both sides

Dear lord, this is really poor trolling on a subject that has been trolled to death.

Should be locked for lack of content.

I'm not a PvPer, and the mentality behind a carebear frustrates me. People who are so risk adverse they would rather not play the game than be a target have the complete opposite mentality to some other industrialists/miners like myself. I would rather fight than be labelled a carebear, as my mentality on Eve is grounded on the fact that Eve is fundamentally a PVP game.




The bolded part there worries the hell out of me. If it is so 'against your nature' to be a target, why are you playing Eve in the first place? Why are you playing a game branded as being a lawless, harsh environment? I have recently seen some Eve adverts directly saying, "Be the bad guy." When I started playing there was a general knowledge that Eve was a harsh place, unforgiving and forcing you to work hard to make ends meet. When you signed up for an account, you knew that was the case with Eve, and no amount of whining on the forums would change that.

I do agree that there needs to be a degree of safety in highsec, to help new players and even industrialists. But the day highsec becomes totally 100% safe is the day that Eve has lost what it was all about in the first place.

I would also question your knowledge about industrial or mining players. Most of the people I have played with are fully aware of the risks where ever they play, and tend to accept that you might lose a ship. In my experience it is only a very vocal minority that complain about the risks of where they play.

The current situation might not be the best liked by the Indy players, neither do the PVP players always like it.

But you know what they say, a good compromise makes nobody leave happy.

All that is asked of Indy players is that they accept the inevitability they will loose a ship once in a while.
All that is asked of PVP players is that they accept they can't always kill who they want.

People who want to have less risk are working against the spirit of the game and wouldn't mind breaking the game so they can have 'fun'
People who want to have easier targets under the Indy's are just asking to break the game for their own 'fun'.


PVP players need to accept that not everyone wants to be blown up, especially when they got no chance to fight back.
Indy players need to accept that sometimes people want to blow them up, especially when they are flying a defenceless ship.

I wish this was the case. If you look through the OP's posting history you'll see that he's pretty consistent in his calls for nerfing combat of any sort in high-sec.

That's why I intend to name my Damnation "not bait". You can feel perfectly safe then ... would I lie to you?
On a side note: it's really amazing how much tank you can fit to a Damnation.