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Breaking News: Opux Luxury Yacht carrying Jolee and Ting Hanvyner destroyed in Tierijev

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Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
#21 - 2013-05-15 15:51:39 UTC
Yet another attack on defenseless citizens. If it was an assassination it seems pointless. Maybe a message to someone else or perhaps to draw somebody out. High profile deaths, bring out high profile people to funerals. I wouldn't put it past anybody now if there was an attack at the funeral for this couple.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#22 - 2013-05-15 15:52:11 UTC
Could be shrewd pirates or anti-SDII rebels who knew this would be pinned on the Black Eagles as some conspiracy theory.
Anslo
Scope Works
#23 - 2013-05-15 16:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Could be shrewd pirates or anti-SDII rebels who knew this would be pinned on the Black Eagles as some conspiracy theory.


Who has the resources to pull this off? Who has the intel? Who has the data manipulation ability? Why, of all things, would anti-SDII 'rebels' use the death of the couple to pin on the Eagles as opposed to actual data and evidence to incriminate them with their ACTUAL crimes?

Funny how it's a conspiracy theory when your government's involved, but just 'immaturity' when other Empires are involved.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-05-15 16:01:19 UTC
I wonder if the band played on, as the flames grew higher?

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-15 16:07:30 UTC
Could be there's not enough information available in one news article to form any kind of an intellectually honest opinion.

Mourn if you are so inclined, and move on. It's a tragedy for all those who loved somebody who was aboard that ship, not just the Hanvyners. But let's not waste our mental energy pursuing the ghosts of conspiracy. Maybe there was a plot, maybe there wasn't, maybe in a week we'll know more, maybe in a week the Point Genesis anomaly will have spewed forth an alien war fleet, in which case the fate of a musician and her wife will be low on our list of priorities. Until we have facts on which to base our hypotheses, it's best not to speculate and wind up prejudicing yourself.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#26 - 2013-05-15 17:10:06 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Could be shrewd pirates or anti-SDII rebels who knew this would be pinned on the Black Eagles as some conspiracy theory.


Who has the resources to pull this off? Who has the intel? Who has the data manipulation ability? Why, of all things, would anti-SDII 'rebels' use the death of the couple to pin on the Eagles as opposed to actual data and evidence to incriminate them with their ACTUAL crimes?

Funny how it's a conspiracy theory when your government's involved, but just 'immaturity' when other Empires are involved.


Many people do. You're too bleeding heart to think about this shrewdly. The Black Eagles haven't been charged of any actual crimes (yet), so your claims can be accused as prejudicial. Just because you don't see the reasoning behind offing the Hanvyners like this doesn't mean nobody else does.
Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
#27 - 2013-05-15 17:31:39 UTC
Today, after recovering from an allergic reaction (which will be removed with the next clone jump, damnit), I paid a small visit to Tierijev system.

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A complete and dedicated scan of the system brought nothing special to light.
A few Capsuleer miners, capsuleer owned cans, a few small enclaves of Serpentis pirates, regulare civilian transport.

The wreck oft the liner had already been removed by Federation Authorities for investigation.
And to remove potentially dangerous wreckage from endangering civilian transports.

After scaring them enough (most pirates will spill the beans if you drop onto their hideout, shoot up their defense fleets and target their bunkers Twisted ), the pirates in the enclave allowed my crew a thorough check of their terminals.
Then, they took their leave (encouraged by my ship)..

The terminal checks revealed nothing.
No tampered records and no transmissions regarding any attack on a passenger liner.
Quite frustrating.

-

Whoever did it, it were not the local pirates. Pirate
Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2013-05-15 18:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Many people do. You're too bleeding heart to think about this shrewdly. The Black Eagles haven't been charged of any actual crimes (yet), so your claims can be accused as prejudicial. Just because you don't see the reasoning behind offing the Hanvyners like this doesn't mean nobody else does.


Read my first post before yours oh Despot of Narcissist City. This isn't based on 'bleeding heart' delusions. It's based on simple, factual, inference based on the information we can see plainly.

@Meghel: Don't Opux ships have a specific engine type or emission system? If it's a unique system, you could attempt to locate emissions or perhaps dispersed isotopes related to its propulsion systems and see if something comes up. Unless they use standard Federation engines and systems. I'd hope something like that Yacht would have unique mechanisms but who knows...maybe someone familiar with engineering can answer that.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
#29 - 2013-05-15 18:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Meghel
Anslo wrote:


@Meghel: Don't Opux ships have a specific engine type or emission system? If it's a unique system, you could attempt to locate emissions or perhaps dispersed isotopes related to its propulsion systems and see if something comes up. Unless they use standard Federation engines and systems. I'd hope something like that Yacht would have unique mechanisms but who knows...maybe someone familiar with engineering can answer that.


@Anslo: difficult to say. it has been a day since the event took place so I gathered most emisions would have dispersed by now.

But it is wordt trying out. I will configure my systems to look for unique emissions and visit Tierijev again.
I will do a number of in-system jumps and scans, hoping to find anything.

If any engineering specialist can put some light on this it would be highly appreciated.

- Update -

After doing quite jumps and scans in system I am unable to find any special traces of emissions.

A visit to the Nurtura Station provided some more feedback.

I was able to obtain sensor data from the authorities there.
From their sensor data it does appear that the unknown battlecruiser-size ship appeared very close to the Opux Liner before the liner was destroyed.
After this, the unknown battlecruiser disappears from the sensors, probably running silent.

I will transfer the sensor data to you.

Meghel out
Liberty Roach
October Country
#30 - 2013-05-15 18:43:33 UTC
Aw no, not an Opux! What the fark is wrong with people? Couldn't they have waited till these jokers stepped off?

Unless it's insurance fraud. Actually, I bet it's insurance fraud.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#31 - 2013-05-15 21:20:35 UTC
This is unquestionably the very public murder of a modern cultural icon to the Federation, I'm sure the investigation will be thorough, leave no stone unturned and will identify those responsible and bring them to justice.

Because there's no possible way this will get swept under the rug by Blaque and his dogs... right?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2013-05-16 01:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
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Meanwhile, Tierijev authorities are reporting that a battlecruiser-sized hull of unknown make was detected in the vicinity of the yacht at the time of its destruction. Long-range sensor data indicates the battlecruiser shared similarities with the Drake class, but also featured "notable differences" which have made it difficult to trace. The matter is being investigated as a case of piracy.



Curious.


I fly a drake and as a pilot of a vessel so loved and hated, we meticulously keep track of the various configurations.

Supposedly the Caldari Navy is to be issuing a drake with 8 weapons hardpoints and I eagerly wait to see if this is true.


I recall there were rumors of a drake refitted for drop ships appearing in Mordus Legion ops a few years ago but there has never been a capsuleer-owned ship like that.


Would it be hard to use just a plain drake? Why even use a drake? A luxury ship is not hard to destroy.


Something is very very strange about this.


Whether this was piracy or a black op/false flag, that drake is not going to be seen at the crime scene. I would expect it's either in a deep in a Black Eagle hangar under a front corporation or in a pirate fleet somewhere. Where this drake pops up next is where we have our culprits.

Of course if this is a false flag op, and the drake turns up in an incriminating place, there will be more questions.

Intrigue is tiring.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#33 - 2013-05-16 01:57:22 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Oh look, conspiracy theorists assembled again.


What conspiracy? Blaque had them assassinated, the end. There is no need for discussion. Something this obvious is a situation where anyone who thinks this wasn't the case is probably wearing a tinfoil dunce hat.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#34 - 2013-05-16 02:26:57 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Oh look, conspiracy theorists assembled again.


What conspiracy? Blaque had them assassinated, the end. There is no need for discussion. Something this obvious is a situation where anyone who thinks this wasn't the case is probably wearing a tinfoil dunce hat.


Still not proven, though I hold my doubts that the FIO will conduct a full, thorough and honest investigation in this matter, I expect elements to get swept under the rug.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-05-16 03:01:00 UTC
Tribal justice best justice!

Wait, where did this happen again?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#36 - 2013-05-16 05:33:00 UTC
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso wrote:
Tribal justice best justice!

Wait, where did this happen again?



If I didn't know better, I'd start to think you were a parody mocking your own people, rather than just a provocative dunce.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Magnus Ituin
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
#37 - 2013-05-16 05:52:08 UTC
Ah you Gallete. I wonder how clean your own inteligence is?
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#38 - 2013-05-16 14:34:04 UTC
My condolences to the family and friends of those who lost their lives in the destruction of the ship.
Logan Fyreite
Grim Bit Interface
#39 - 2013-05-16 14:52:56 UTC
Wouldn't the most likely chance for Caldari involvement be that these two were actually state spies and Heth or a megacorp wanted to cover their little mistake with a little test-fire from one of their new toys? Doubt SDII has the plans for the 'rumored' new drake hulls.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#40 - 2013-05-17 00:48:24 UTC
Oh and keep in mind that Blaque wasn't just assassinating two people that he couldn't execute through the actual Federation court system... he also gets to wash his hands in the blood of all the other innocent passengers & crew that were on board.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

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