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Wreckage of Shiigeru to be examined by Ishukone and Zainou

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Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-15 16:45:21 UTC
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Luminaire – The Chief Executive Panel and Caldari Navy have announced that, as part of their continued investigation into the events surrounding the Invasion of Caldari Prime, Ishukone Corporation and subsidiary Zainou Biotech will retrieve and investigate the wreckage of the Shiigeru.

The largest piece of wreckage, 700 kilometers outside of Arcurio, has mostly been untouched since the forward section crashed into the planet following its destruction in orbit. Experts say that the wreckage remains unstable as the tritanium alloy which makes up its superstructure continually reacts with the oxygen atmosphere and loses stability, putting any attempts at cleanup years – if not decades – down the line.

The CEP, however, stated, “Telemetry data from the flight recorder is a vital part of our ongoing investigation into the events of March 22nd. It must be recovered in order to proceed.”

Ishukone and Zainou engineers will work under the oversight of Mordu's Legion to recover the recorder, along with other components from the wreck which may prove useful. Ishukone has stated that it will exercise “extreme caution” in approaching the wreck, as “any unnecessary disturbance could cause the power core or doomsday device to explode.”


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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2013-05-15 17:14:06 UTC
Good fortune to the engineers. If the weapons are still capable of activating after all this time and exposure to atmosphere, I can only hope that their power is degraded, and will pose no threat to nearby settlements.

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Rosen Thornn
House of Nightshade
#3 - 2013-05-15 17:17:56 UTC
Just doomsday it from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#4 - 2013-05-15 18:13:18 UTC
HAMRI operates a fresh water production facility and storage facility in the vicinity of the Shiigeru wreck for the expressed purpose of providing water for workers and surviving communities in the area. Ishukone and Zainou are welcome to use our facility for shelter and as a water supply. The last time I monitored the facility, we were still the only facility in the unstable area of the crash. Since our storage facility is only partly used, they are welcome to set up in the remaining space if they wish. We also have a small remaining power capacity if it is needed in emergency situations.

Sincerely,
Theobar Cresthill on behalf of the Hamrite Community

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-15 18:43:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
This is an outrage!
Such operation should be overseen by CPD, not Mordu's Legion!
Or at least by Caldari Navy specialists.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2013-05-15 19:33:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Kim, Mordu's Legion is overseeing activities on the planet on behalf of the CEP and Federation. It is, therefore, a party of interest. Further, the Ishukone-Zainou operation is being executed on behalf of the CEP and the Caldari Navy. That's about as good as it gets, seeing as Heth's investigation apparently hasn't gotten close to the wreckage.

Perhaps you should address your outrage to Heth, whose many declarations of investigation haven't netted any such action?

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-15 19:57:23 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
This is an outrage!
Such operation should be overseen by CPD, not Mordu's Legion!
Or at least by Caldari Navy specialists.


I agree with Ms. Priano. Mordu's Legion is an acceptable neutral party in this, with a history of results.

By the way, did you change your hair? It agrees with you.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2013-05-15 20:11:11 UTC
Ah, well-- yes, actually. Thank you. I've been operating in Federation space recently. Felt a bit out of place, and figured I'd dress down to avoid the odd looks a CalNav uniform gets on Gallente stations...

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-15 20:19:01 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, Mordu's Legion is overseeing activities on the planet on behalf of the CEP and Federation. It is, therefore, a party of interest. Further, the Ishukone-Zainou operation is being executed on behalf of the CEP and the Caldari Navy. That's about as good as it gets, seeing as Heth's investigation apparently hasn't gotten close to the wreckage.

Perhaps you should address your outrage to Heth, whose many declarations of investigation haven't netted any such action?

That they act also on behalf of Federation is even more outrageous!
As for Ishukone, trusting them now is like walking on a blade edge. And if Executor conducted any secret investigations and didn't publish the results, then they involve a question of national security.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#10 - 2013-05-15 21:07:33 UTC
I hope they are careful around those giant, metal-eating mushrooms.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-15 22:52:25 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ah, well-- yes, actually. Thank you. I've been operating in Federation space recently. Felt a bit out of place, and figured I'd dress down to avoid the odd looks a CalNav uniform gets on Gallente stations...


I should have been more clear. I meant to ask Kim-haani if she'd changed her hair.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#12 - 2013-05-16 01:00:04 UTC



Doomsday devices have to be armed in order to function at all.


So something smells funny here.


Is there or is there not a doomsday device on the planet surface with a charge?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2013-05-16 01:09:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Doomsday devices have to be armed in order to function at all.


The Shiigeru's Oblivion device was armed in combat, and may not have been disarmed prior to the crash. An Oblivion device uses many physical self propelled warheads (missiles) to deliver the primary payload. This means that if those warheads are still armed, they could be triggered and cause a global catastrophe.

Katrina Oniseki

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#14 - 2013-05-16 01:16:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, Mordu's Legion is overseeing activities on the planet on behalf of the CEP and Federation. It is, therefore, a party of interest. Further, the Ishukone-Zainou operation is being executed on behalf of the CEP and the Caldari Navy. That's about as good as it gets, seeing as Heth's investigation apparently hasn't gotten close to the wreckage.

Perhaps you should address your outrage to Heth, whose many declarations of investigation haven't netted any such action?

That they act also on behalf of Federation is even more outrageous!
As for Ishukone, trusting them now is like walking on a blade edge. And if Executor conducted any secret investigations and didn't publish the results, then they involve a question of national security.

Better than trusting the megacorporation that is selling off assets to the enemy just to pay its bills, though I do wonder why Zainu is assisting with the investigation, Salvage isn't something I'd expect from a biotechnology company unless the flight recorder is embedded in somebody's head.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#15 - 2013-05-16 01:25:40 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Doomsday devices have to be armed in order to function at all.


The Shiigeru's Oblivion device was armed in combat, and may not have been disarmed prior to the crash. An Oblivion device uses many physical self propelled warheads (missiles) to deliver the primary payload. This means that if those warheads are still armed, they could be triggered and cause a global catastrophe.




But what business did it have being armed in close quarters like that? Its crash vector was towards the planet. Did they try to use it on the planet?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#16 - 2013-05-16 01:36:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

But what business did it have being armed in close quarters like that? Its crash vector was towards the planet. Did they try to use it on the planet?

The last broadcasts from the Shiigeru indicated that it was attempting a scorched earth policy and was intending to doomsday the planet after it had become evident that it would not hold the field. Exactly how accurate these broadcasts are is a matter for contention obviously. But there is certainly plenty of suspicion that it may have been armed.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-05-16 08:16:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Doomsday devices have to be armed in order to function at all.


So something smells funny here.


Is there or is there not a doomsday device on the planet surface with a charge?

The Oblivion device consists of a fantastically complex array of multiple delivery vehicles each carrying multiple graviton warheads. The device launches its entire stock of ordinance and remotely course-corrects each seperate missile simultaneously, focusing the impacts precisely on the weakest sections of the hull as judged by its exceptionally advanced remote imaging and fire control system. The delicate electronics of the fire control system most likely did not survive the impact with the planet. The warheads, which are designed to at least briefly survive hypersonic impacts with starship armour, are far more likely to have survived.

If the Oblivion device was armed when the Shiigeru broke apart, and a disarm code was never sent, the warheads may still be live. Now, here I move into the realms of educated conjecture as I'm obviously not privy to the exact technical details of Caldari weaponry, but I would estimate since it's meant to be a weapon of war, the warheads may have a faildeadly system that, in the event of a loss of contact with the fire control system, causes the warheads to automatically detonate if they sense an impact, assuming that it's the hostile ship they were originally aimed at.

Obviously the easiest solution would be to transmit a disarm code, but there may be several impediments to doing that. Given that each set of ordinance is unique to the Oblivion device that fires it, the Shiigeru's central computer or indeed Admiral Yanala herself may have been literally the only entities that knew those codes. The Shiigeru's central computer is likely toast and we haven't heard from Yanala since the Battle of Caldari Prime, and I have a strong feeling - call it a hunch - that we most likely won't be hearing from her again. Even if the Caldari Navy does possess a duplicate copy of the codes (which would be very sensible but also a potential vulnerability) they may not be willing to hand them over to Ishukone or Mordu's, given how many of them still seem to be loyal to Heth, and how determine Heth seems to be to sabotage the recovery efforts out of sheer self-aggrandizing spite. Even if they did obtain the codes, there's no guarantee the warheads would respond to them - they may need a specific frequency, or their tranceivers may be damaged.

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Tatiana Yazria
Dragon Logistics
#18 - 2013-05-16 10:47:44 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Better than trusting the megacorporation that is selling off assets to the enemy just to pay its bills, though I do wonder why Zainu is assisting with the investigation, Salvage isn't something I'd expect from a biotechnology company unless the flight recorder is embedded in somebody's head.


Actually, Mister Kraid, I am rather capable of answering this question myself as I have been investigating Zainou's markets for investment potential.

The primary reason to involve a biotechnology firm in a salvaging effort is for research on the effects to local life. Things like burning tritanium, titanium diboride dust, and so on. This data is necessary for Zainou to develop chemicals and technology which will permit the safe handling of materials by humans and hopefully restore life to the devastated areas in time. I am quite certain they have little interest in simply salvaging.

As someone who served in the military for many years, I can only elaborate somewhat on the nature of the warheads and weapons likely to be intact or damaged with regard to Shiigeru. (Many of the technical details are of course, classified.)
While the statements regarding impact resistance are essentially correct, the weapon in question was most likely in a stored or loaded position, and subsequently would suffer horizontal impact. I do not know the tolerances there, but in the case of any such warhead, damage invariably increases the risk of uncontrolled detonation. So it must be handled with the utmost care.

Telemetry and atmospheric sampling data indicates that greater than 85% of CN Shiigeru's conventional stores - primarily citadel cruise missiles and the like - were ejected from stores prior to loss of control and burned up during atmospheric reentry. The extreme temperatures of reentry vastly exceed the design limits of these missiles, making it the safest possible disposal in the given scenario. All warheads subjected to reentry already detonated or are sufficiently damaged to be considered inert.

The Oblivion system used on CN Shiigeru is a more advanced design than most people are used to, and possess dual-personality failure modes. It can be configured for failsafe, wherein final detonation primers are not present or similar, or it can be configured for fail-unsafe which is more often known as 'percussion trigger.' If it was in fail-unsafe, the impact should have triggered a detonation.

I have many years of experience in reading flight data recorders, especially in light of accidents and actions. My credentials will be made available on request to Caldari Navy or Ishukone personnel, and I am capable of providing on-site assistance if preferred for security. I would like to help in any way I can in recovering and accurately interpreting the Shiigeru's flight data.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#19 - 2013-05-16 16:22:26 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
I hope they are careful around those giant, metal-eating mushrooms.


That's brilliant, darling! Given my standings with Ishukone, I shall set about preparing a memo suggesting they consider seeding the wreck with Mummy Noh's Giant Metal Eating Mushroom spores (which are not themselves particularly giant) immediately!
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
#20 - 2013-05-16 16:22:59 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
This is an outrage!
Such operation should be overseen by CPD, not Mordu's Legion!
Or at least by Caldari Navy specialists.


Why did this come off as being said just to be said...

Dr. Ninavask Revan

Colonist

Alexylva Paradox

The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.

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