Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Make wardecs not a trivial affair.

How long would it take to train up an alt to be nothing but a CEO? Get wardeced members drop corp, wardec over members join same corp.

Someone could get even more fancy and have 2 corp CEO's, one for the main corp and one for the emergency wardec corp.

I'm not saying your idea is bad, just that it doesn't solve anything.

Not even remotely high enough. It's a billion ISK to form an Alliance, starting a Corp should probably be 1/4 that at least, so 250 million ISK. It should also have the requirement of time on the character (maybe a minimum of 3 months played time), to prevent fresh alts from doing it. That wouldn't' prevent someone from using a 5 yr old alt that has 900k SP from doing it, but still.

Create 5 corporations. Switch between them as needed if they get wardecced.

Price to wardec you has just become 250 million.

Besides if this change was announced a **** ton of people would make a corporation on every alt before the patch applied and start selling them for way cheaper than the isk to create one anyway.

The way I see it you need to put two things together really, both of which are going to annoy carebears.

1) as suggested a high fee for corp creation, to stop making reforming such a trivial expense.
2) the second being a Fee to maintain the corp, as a set value. this would help encourage players to group up to lower isk wastage rather than the hundreds of 1 man corps currently.

notably for part 2 it would need to be a value that did not make it more valuable just to stay in NPC corps, otherwise you tip things the wrong way and nobody can be war dec'd etc.

I'd rather make corporations themselves "a big deal", by giving them things actually worth fighting for instead of just making their standard evasion tactic slightly more difficult.

Indeed... but I don't want to outright prevent poorer players from starting their own corp.

The 50 million amount is the baseline cost for a war-dec against a single corp... so I thought it would be a good place to start.


This would allow richer corps to have all the perks (POSs, hangers, etc) without any of the risks that should be inherent with being in a corp... meanwhile the poorer corps that won't (or can't) pay would suffer more as the "pool" of potential targets is now smaller (as anyone who could afford the fee would immediately do so).

The general idea of this thread is to discourage war dec evasion without making it too difficult to "opt out" of a war dec.


Thing is... most war decs are easy to deal with relative to what happens out in low and null-sec. If a corp basically crumbles because someone war decced them at the "wrong time" then chances are they would not have survived outside of high-sec anyways.

Corps that generally survive have a mentality of sorts... that they will just do something despite their weaknesses/flaws, that there is a way around a problem they haven't thought of yet, that there is more to dealing with a other players than just victory or defeat. It has nothing to do with ISK, assets, or size of membership (though, those things do help).


And if this change is implemented then the cost for making all those new corps is also 250 million. Sounds pretty fair, eh?


I'm a little leery about reoccurring fees for a simple corp. It might further discourage people from leaving NPC corps (I'm expecting serious backlash for the "start-up fee" alone).

Plus... corps do pay "maintenance fees" in other ways... if they so choose.
- corp hangers are not free. You rent them out from a station on a monthly basis and their price fluctuates based on station usage.
- Player owned Starbases (POSs) are very hungry and require a good supply of fuel to keep going. Prices for fuel depends in PI and ice prices.
- war declarations. Not a "fee" per se... but it does require a corp to change their method of operations around a bit... which does cost money if people are miners, mission runners, industrialists, etc.

not sure what he means by trivial...but I agree with him about it being trivial as to how I see it.

I have number 3 in my head.

fly to system 3
go to station 3
war dec 3rd corp in station.

Here is the flaw I see in the war dec system. That this is possible never sat well with me.

The second flaw is in empire is its heavily used to avoid ganking. ganking I have no issue with....see possibly shiny ship, pop it if you can. All good. Gankers actually get rep points, they have the balls to this.

Then you have the gank avoiders. They want the shiniee, don't want the sec hit. Then even better, they whine about station games or leaving corps. No crap, you have dec'd a bear. They won't be joiining a pvp corp anytime soon that will have issues with 100 corps in history.


I actually like this leave right away with roles. I have been in one pvp corp with role and, time to move on. In my case the next corp was pvp...not avoiding fights, just did not want to roll with the old crew anymore. And there I am sitting, waiting for roles to clear. And one time....leadership said oh, he lost his roles and gave them back. thanks jackass....its another day for this to clear, I am leaving I don't want roles.

I guess this depends on your outlook somewhat. these things that do incur additional costs to a corp are only available in a player corp which means their benefit should offset their cost.

As an example Companies out here in RL have to pay their initial fee to form then pay a further recurring fee. If you want to say this is a tax toward Concord for admin or w/e doesn't really matter. but the one off fee to own a corp has always seemed a little out of place to me, especially when you have fees for alliances for basically the same reason.

certainly doesn't stop alliances from forming. because as with the NPC to player corp transition their are benefits available that are worth more than this expense.

Agreed, it should be much more costly (in terms of isk, effort, etc) to set up a corp, because currently war decs are very close to meaningless because it's so easy to just 'restart' with your corp.

I also do think war decs should follow players who drop corp, but only for say 24 hours while their employers/concord sort out the paperwork.

Yes, it'll result in people just sitting docked for 24 hours, but that's the tradeoff to the benefits of becoming free from war