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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1 - 2013-05-14 23:53:42 UTC
Confirming there are neither in your thread.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
floating in space
#2 - 2013-05-14 23:54:17 UTC
Hi
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-14 23:56:39 UTC
If i do a 5 low sec roams. And get 30 kills and lose 1 ship i should not make a net loss and should have made more money than a afk Ice miner in high sec.

Make more mods drop from ships killed in pvp.
Make implants able to be recovered from a frozen coprse.. with a new skill if needs be.
Give a 10% reward on any ship killed or somthing >.<

Risk should = reward.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-15 00:02:25 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Confirming there are neither in your thread.



Yeah not sure what happend there, my pst was lagged so badly that to people posted before the thread was made ???

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _
floating in space
#5 - 2013-05-15 00:05:33 UTC
Yeah you're pretty much forced to do PVE if you want to PVP I don't like that either. But there's always FW, I think you get LP for killing people
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-05-15 00:08:01 UTC
These forums are special.
In a derpy sort of way.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-15 00:11:08 UTC
floating in space wrote:
Yeah you're pretty much forced to do PVE if you want to PVP I don't like that either. But there's always FW, I think you get LP for killing people


Zero money in that, its blob warfare never get any loot. and as for lp its minimal rewards and need to do these wierd plex things to get lp really.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _
floating in space
#8 - 2013-05-15 00:17:50 UTC
They should make it do you can align yourself with a pirate faction and every kill you make in low-sec (with some sort of other parameters) you get some form of reward, which is divided among the involved parties. So you get more for solo and small gang kills.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#9 - 2013-05-15 00:25:07 UTC
T2 modules are far far too cheap, that's my take on the issue.

Pricey T2 loot used to mean that a good PvPer would make a profit, now ship loot is basically worthless unless you trick a high sec faction mission runner into a PvP flag.

We don't need to return to the days of 20m isk cap recharger IIs, but T2 mods could use a good quadrupling in value.
Alternate Poster
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#10 - 2013-05-15 00:27:42 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:

Make implants able to be recovered from a frozen coprse.. with a new skill if needs be.


Only if we can get implant condoms. I don't want your germs.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#11 - 2013-05-15 00:32:07 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
If i do a 5 low sec roams. And get 30 kills and lose 1 ship i should not make a net loss and should have made more money than a afk Ice miner in high sec.

Make more mods drop from ships killed in pvp.
Make implants able to be recovered from a frozen coprse.. with a new skill if needs be.
Give a 10% reward on any ship killed or somthing >.<

Risk should = reward.

Let's be clear, the large coalitions make more by not PvPing in null than that afk miner in hi sec.

But we will see if 200 moons will stir them to fight.

Meanwhile risk vs reward...FW's got it. The LP reward is much higher than running missions.
Rena Emishi
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-15 01:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rena Emishi
Nexus Day wrote:
Rena Emishi wrote:
If i do a 5 low sec roams. And get 30 kills and lose 1 ship i should not make a net loss and should have made more money than a afk Ice miner in high sec.

Make more mods drop from ships killed in pvp.
Make implants able to be recovered from a frozen coprse.. with a new skill if needs be.
Give a 10% reward on any ship killed or somthing >.<

Risk should = reward.

Let's be clear, the large coalitions make more by not PvPing in null than that afk miner in hi sec.

But we will see if 200 moons will stir them to fight.

Meanwhile risk vs reward...FW's got it. The LP reward is much higher than running missions.


So you are saying a large coalitions of player's ( hundred if not thousands of people ) Make more money than a lone miner in hi sec... yes i agree with that.

But can a lone miner make more money in null sec than he can in Hi sec....

NO THE NULL SEC MINER CAN NOT. he can not go afk mining ice or semi afk mining ore in null sec with our losing his ship. He can not make his money risk free and can not do without dealing with logistics, he can no do it without a crap ton of team work from a net work of other players helping him to operate.

_Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris _
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#13 - 2013-05-15 11:11:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
These forums are special.
In a derpy sort of way.



There's a lot of special people on it

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#14 - 2013-05-15 11:23:21 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
If i do a 5 low sec roams. And get 30 kills and lose 1 ship i should not make a net loss and should have made more money than a afk Ice miner in high sec.

Make more mods drop from ships killed in pvp.
Make implants able to be recovered from a frozen coprse.. with a new skill if needs be.
Give a 10% reward on any ship killed or somthing >.<

Risk should = reward.


PvP and people losing ships always makes money for people. You're just on the wrong end of that food chain - try the production side.

PvP rewards can't be dictated by CCP. You blow up a ship, you can scoop whatever survives. If the guy wasn't carrying anything, you chose the wrong ship. I don't know where you'd pull the 10% number from or how you'd justify it other than greed.

If you're truly killing 30 ships and losing one, and not making a profit (T2 salvage is great), you're probably doing it wrong. Either your ship is too expensive, your target selection is poor, or you're leaving behind valuable salvage/loot.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-15 11:27:35 UTC
The only problem is PvP is not that much of a risk unless you're being stupid then you deserve to be blown up.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#16 - 2013-05-15 11:47:04 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
If i do a 5 low sec roams. And get 30 kills and lose 1 ship i should not make a net loss and should have made more money than a afk Ice miner in high sec.

Make more mods drop from ships killed in pvp.
Make implants able to be recovered from a frozen coprse.. with a new skill if needs be.
Give a 10% reward on any ship killed or somthing >.<

Risk should = reward.


Im not really fond of the increase in drops of mods and cargo from ships, but I do like the idea of being able to recover corpses and use a special mod on them in space to, with a balanced chance of success, recover implants from the corpse. I would support this if it were like 50% or less random chance of implants recovered, or even being able to recover damaged implants and combine them with other stuff that could be recovered from corpses such as synaptic wiring or some **** to basically rebuild implants and sell or plugin. However, when you use the module it must be like salvaging and cause the corpse to be consumed in the process.
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-05-15 12:20:47 UTC
I never recover corpses. Something about doing it just seems morbid.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-15 13:58:52 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
floating in space wrote:
Yeah you're pretty much forced to do PVE if you want to PVP I don't like that either. But there's always FW, I think you get LP for killing people


Zero money in that, its blob warfare never get any loot. and as for lp its minimal rewards and need to do these wierd plex things to get lp really.

you do it wrong

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#19 - 2013-05-15 14:06:47 UTC
Rena Emishi wrote:
floating in space wrote:
Yeah you're pretty much forced to do PVE if you want to PVP I don't like that either. But there's always FW, I think you get LP for killing people


Zero money in that, its blob warfare never get any loot. and as for lp its minimal rewards and need to do these wierd plex things to get lp really.


So, you haven't actually tried FW then?
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-05-15 14:08:30 UTC
omg what a whiner...you can make billions from loot in a month...

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