Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You see, when high-SP and low-SP players are dueling for example, it's obvious that a newer player is in disadvantage - his tank is weaker, guns miss often etc. This is a bit "compensated" by higher clone costs for a veteran if he manages to loose the fight.
Also, EVE is a sandbox and economy should interfere with PVP. You may have heard that miners, manufacturers and other "carebears" are despised by the ilitist breed. Removing clone costs would emphasize that attitude even futher.

And no, the fun is there only when stakes are high.

Did I answer your question?

Dueling, your argument is dueling! Are you kidding? If you think Eve is about 2 players sitting in identical ships where skill points are all and everything you have not been paying attention.

High SP for most players means expanded choice of ships, once you are good in one ship you move on and the hyperthetical extra 2% advantage for 30 days training to become perfect gets laughed at and ignored.

Your example only highlights the undeniable argument for removing higher clone costs for older players. If the new player has planned his skills well, he can have exactly the same amount of relevant SP to the ships flown in the duel as the older player.

There is a hard cap on the advantage from character skills in any given ship. Older players can have max skills in numerous other ships as well, but they don't help one bit in your duel example.

Only player skills will help.

I still lol at people who whine about 40mil clone costs, but they do have a valid point about the costs being not really worth keeping as they are.

Great start, but Im still not puting a 120m SP character into an interdictor. And don't bother telling me to train another account -CCP already get enough of my ISK for the accounts I already have.

Technetium nerf did hit you very hard I see... Poor you, accept my condolence.

To prevent misuse of clone subscription for travelling, other than a cooldown timer, changing the location of your medical clone could come with a installation cost. Maybe even combine it that you can change the clone location once per 24 hours for free.

Not sure if it was already said like that, probably just repeating things.

Really, the more the clone contract subscription is talked about, the more I like it.

I'm not denying that the older player having Controlled Bursts V versus younger playing having it at only IV couldn't dictate the outcome the fight, but I can imagine more than few scenarios where having that advantage means absolutely **** all nothing.

I fleets the total amount of individual pilots SP means even less.



Income making has very little to do with SP, and more with time and effort spent. Most of my income is made with a 800K SP trade alt, and her zero-training colleagues.

Player age and connections create career possibilities, but SP does not equate player age in game. I see your point about clone costs as a balancing factor, and used to think like that too...

but in the end there's a simple truth in EVE- the more you play, the less time and effort you are interested putting into ISK-making, since the most fun thing you can do in game is the good old ultraviolence.

Older players shouldn't be forced to grind more just for having more SP. Forcing people into PVE, even indirectly, is against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Not as a disincentive to PVP, which is what it is. It is also a poor ISK sink if people avoid PVP or roll with low sp alts to avoid paying it

I laugh at people who say "ban suicide gankers, I want a safe place to mine".
I laugh at people who say "free ships and clones for everyone, I dont want to mess with isk making".
Guess why? Because it's sandbox.
Jeez, 4th time in row I have to mention this!

This is a good start. Reduce clone costs to 0, add 5 to each attribute, and remove learning implants. That will remove the pvp disincentives. To compensate for the sink put out some cool new implants and increase market fees.