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How often do wardecs happen to normal corps ?

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-05-14 19:07:19 UTC
Volibear Trojan wrote:
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I'm sorry im pretty new, but are you saying if I wardec you, you'll stop playing?

So like -- if I don't like you personally I should just keep wardecing you and you'll stop playing until it's over?


What us carebears do, when we get a war dec, is drop to an NPC corp, or create a new corp and join that, then go on playing.


The PvPers, that war dec industrialists hoping to get easy kills get soooo frustrated when we refuse to give them what they want, but that is not my problem. I just keep on playing in a way that I enjoy playing, mostly ignoring their war dec's.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-05-14 19:31:47 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Volibear Trojan wrote:
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I'm sorry im pretty new, but are you saying if I wardec you, you'll stop playing?

So like -- if I don't like you personally I should just keep wardecing you and you'll stop playing until it's over?


What us carebears do, when we get a war dec, is drop to an NPC corp, or create a new corp and join that, then go on playing.


The PvPers, that war dec industrialists hoping to get easy kills get soooo frustrated when we refuse to give them what they want, but that is not my problem. I just keep on playing in a way that I enjoy playing, mostly ignoring their war dec's.


CCP should ban that behauvior...or at least give us the power to wardec NPC residents...


NO place in EVE should be safe....

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#23 - 2013-05-14 19:33:20 UTC
There are no carebears in EvE. There are hunters and prey. They are prey.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#24 - 2013-05-14 19:56:28 UTC
Its hard to say how often the average corp gets war decced.
It depends on so many things like, are you recruiting, being in an alliance, where are you located, what ships do the members fly around in, smack talking/acting like an idiot in local or forums,how many members your corp has, previous war dec history and if it contains a lot of barge/hauler losses...

But you can not hide from wars in EVE. Of course you can join an NPC corp but that is not really hiding...more..distancing your self from a large part of the content making it more difficult to experience EVE at its full potential.

Do as other people here have suggested, go out in a cheap ship, have fun hunting down the war targets and if you die..well so what? As long as you had fun and learned something you can consider your self getting out ahead. The attitude CEO's and directors in general dont like is when someone is running around like a headless chicken and repeats the same mistakes over and over and refuse to listen to advice. But if you are out there, trying and learning you will most likely find that the CEO and directors will cheer for you and that other members will see that YOU are trying and dare to do the same them self.

If the war really drives you up the wall, and you know there is no chance and they camp you 24/7 create an alt corp. This way you and whoever wants to can join said alt corp just to "get out and stretch your legs" once in a while, without damaging your mains employment history and give the war deccing corp the morale boost of seeing the member count dropping thus encouraging them to keep the war going for even longer.

But no matter what you do, do not whine to the war targets about how bored you are or similar. This will give them exactly what they want, a proof of your frustration and "tears".

And in the long run..most wars only lasts for a week (i said most), and as you get older in EVE a week really wont seem like much and you will just use it as an excuse to play that new game you bough 6 months ago Lol

Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#25 - 2013-05-14 20:02:13 UTC
Depends on how active you are and where you spend your time. I have been decced in the past, but generally as I keep a low profile I don't see much issues (even if they did I can log into other accounts lol). Plus now as wardecs are a lot more expensive than they used to (it used to just cost 2 million isk), it makes them more interested in finding very active corps so they can get as many kills as possible.

Generally though newbie corps are wardec magnates, every newbie corp I was ever in always got decced at least once.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#26 - 2013-05-14 20:11:10 UTC
And when we are speaking about wars..
I have not read the whole thread yet, but this might be of interest to the OP and people who are interested in this subject, since it also seems to cover different peoples opinions on what the purpose with a war dec is.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=235719
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#27 - 2013-05-14 20:52:40 UTC
Best way to go about it is to find a corp, not run by new players looking for new players, but a corp looking for new players, run by experienced players, that can learn the new players how to fight back.

One of the most detrimental things in EVE is new players recruited in, sry to say, carebear corps, that has no clue what they are doing and tutoring them in nothing but kill x, mine y etc.

Is all good if thats what you wanna do, but as a new player, you owe yourself trying most parts of the game as possible. New player have a role almost everywhere but in c5-6 WH (and even there they can be of use).

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Avicus Janvier
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-05-14 21:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Avicus Janvier
Thank you all for your replies , they made me a lot wiser.
I will stay in the NPC corp for now, see where my interests really are in the game and will look for a fitting non newby corp as soon as I shed my newbyness.I dont know when that will be but will find out I guess.

The learning curve is more steep then I thought, its not just about game mechanics.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#29 - 2013-05-14 21:33:21 UTC
You can't shed your noobines in a npc corp? Who is going to teach you?

Find some experienced players and throw yourself into the chaos.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#30 - 2013-05-14 21:51:56 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
You can't shed your noobines in a npc corp? Who is going to teach you?

Find some experienced players and throw yourself into the chaos.


This.

If you stay in an NPC corp you might be safe from war dec's, but it can also be a very lonely experience since you dont really get a chance to know people on the same level as when in a corp (in my opinion) and it also puts limits on (or at least makes it harder) to experience EVE to its fullest.

So look for a new corp, hang around them for a while, ask questions, look up their war history and KB stats and how they have done in previous wars, look at the age of the corp and the members. If they have been around for a while you can be pretty sure that they are used to war decs and have ways to work around them.
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-14 22:08:55 UTC
Why don't rich indy corps finiance a pvp wing anyway.

What else is all that isk for.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#32 - 2013-05-14 22:10:00 UTC
Choosing a corp is a significant decision in EVE. The more time you put into finding the correct corp, aside from any group that just happens to be recruiting, the better off you will be.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-14 22:14:03 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
You can't shed your noobines in a npc corp? Who is going to teach you?

Find some experienced players and throw yourself into the chaos.


This.

If you stay in an NPC corp you might be safe from war dec's, but it can also be a very lonely experience since you dont really get a chance to know people on the same level as when in a corp (in my opinion) and it also puts limits on (or at least makes it harder) to experience EVE to its fullest.

So look for a new corp, hang around them for a while, ask questions, look up their war history and KB stats and how they have done in previous wars, look at the age of the corp and the members. If they have been around for a while you can be pretty sure that they are used to war decs and have ways to work around them.


I partially agree. Yes a good corp is one of the most valuable assets in EVE. But even without a corp there are tonnes of people who are more then happy to help new players get into EVE even thpugh they arent your corp members.

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#34 - 2013-05-14 22:55:46 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
You can't shed your noobines in a npc corp? Who is going to teach you?

Find some experienced players and throw yourself into the chaos.


This.

If you stay in an NPC corp you might be safe from war dec's, but it can also be a very lonely experience since you dont really get a chance to know people on the same level as when in a corp (in my opinion) and it also puts limits on (or at least makes it harder) to experience EVE to its fullest.

So look for a new corp, hang around them for a while, ask questions, look up their war history and KB stats and how they have done in previous wars, look at the age of the corp and the members. If they have been around for a while you can be pretty sure that they are used to war decs and have ways to work around them.


I partially agree. Yes a good corp is one of the most valuable assets in EVE. But even without a corp there are tonnes of people who are more then happy to help new players get into EVE even thpugh they arent your corp members.


Yes this is true, but there are many things that are simply..easier if you are a member of a corp. If you want to join in regular mining,mission,pvp,fw,0.0 roams,wh operations and so on its much much easier if you are a member of a corp.
Being in an NPC corp its easy(ish) to get advice and help from smaller things (like killing a rat in a low level mission, or some random ISK donation to cover that lost frig), but to participate in larger operation people need more trust then you generally give a person in an NPC corp.

Of course you also have to consider that in some cases its a nightmare to bring in someone neutral because your blues/friends/allies will blow them up unless they have gotten a notice beforehand (and noticed it), and making sure that information like this is spread, accepted, and tolerated by everyone involved can be nightmarish.

Granted i can only speak for my self here, and i am sure there are corps/alliances out there that allows new players to participate in random operations and similar before joining, but i would imagine that even in these cases its a bit more restricted to what information you get access to.

But then again, im overly paranoid and most likely way more suspicious then i need to be so i might be completely off here Lol
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-15 06:27:08 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
You can't shed your noobines in a npc corp? Who is going to teach you?

Find some experienced players and throw yourself into the chaos.


This.

If you stay in an NPC corp you might be safe from war dec's, but it can also be a very lonely experience since you dont really get a chance to know people on the same level as when in a corp (in my opinion) and it also puts limits on (or at least makes it harder) to experience EVE to its fullest.

So look for a new corp, hang around them for a while, ask questions, look up their war history and KB stats and how they have done in previous wars, look at the age of the corp and the members. If they have been around for a while you can be pretty sure that they are used to war decs and have ways to work around them.


I partially agree. Yes a good corp is one of the most valuable assets in EVE. But even without a corp there are tonnes of people who are more then happy to help new players get into EVE even thpugh they arent your corp members.


Yes this is true, but there are many things that are simply..easier if you are a member of a corp. If you want to join in regular mining,mission,pvp,fw,0.0 roams,wh operations and so on its much much easier if you are a member of a corp.
Being in an NPC corp its easy(ish) to get advice and help from smaller things (like killing a rat in a low level mission, or some random ISK donation to cover that lost frig), but to participate in larger operation people need more trust then you generally give a person in an NPC corp.

Of course you also have to consider that in some cases its a nightmare to bring in someone neutral because your blues/friends/allies will blow them up unless they have gotten a notice beforehand (and noticed it), and making sure that information like this is spread, accepted, and tolerated by everyone involved can be nightmarish.

Granted i can only speak for my self here, and i am sure there are corps/alliances out there that allows new players to participate in random operations and similar before joining, but i would imagine that even in these cases its a bit more restricted to what information you get access to.

But then again, im overly paranoid and most likely way more suspicious then i need to be so i might be completely off here Lol


You are not that paranoid. You never saw me recruit people. The first test of the corp: you fit in if you can stand having a recruitment talk with and dont rage quit or leave channel.

As for your point:

Some public stuff...


BTL pub for incursion fleets.
Tuskers Frig FFA
RvB Ganked (they even take on war targets. They have a NGSI policy - Not Ganked, Shot It)
Agony classes (if you are with a class you are considered to be Agony and follow their rules for the duration of the fleet)

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-05-15 06:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Hello,

Had to come in and say Hello since my name was mentioned.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#37 - 2013-05-15 07:07:31 UTC
Avicus Janvier wrote:

How often does a normal corps get wardecced ?


Normal corps pretty much never get wardecced, and if they do, they can handle it. Wardecs are only a problem for hisec corps, which you should never under any circumstances join anyway- they will ruin your EVE experience with inactivity, bad management and false promises and boring gameplay.

Join a null, lowsec or wormhole corp and experience what EVE really is about.



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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#38 - 2013-05-15 07:43:58 UTC
Roime wrote:
Avicus Janvier wrote:

How often does a normal corps get wardecced ?


Normal corps pretty much never get wardecced, and if they do, they can handle it. Wardecs are only a problem for hisec corps, which you should never under any circumstances join anyway- they will ruin your EVE experience with inactivity, bad management and false promises and boring gameplay.

Join a null, lowsec or wormhole corp and experience what EVE really is about.


It really rubs me the wrong way when people say this like its a fact.

Yes most players should at one point or another try different aspects of EVE, but not because one is "better" then the other. There is no way for anyone to say that you as a player will enjoy this and hate this. Everyone is different.

I lived in 0.0 for years, as a pet, as a normal alliance member, as a corp member, and in leadership positions. I have no been in 0.0 for...Well for a long time Smile
I normally just tell people i retired from 0.0. It was great fun for a while, and it destroyed my will to play EVE on certain occasions.

Does this mean i will outright discourage people from going to 0.0? Of course not, they might find that 0.0 is the only way they can enjoy EVE. Just like i will never tell someone that they should not join an empire corp because that might be what they enjoy.

And honestly, if what you listed is your only experience with high sec corps...Maybe you just joined the wrong corps or maybe its just that you did not enjoy the way they did things. Claiming that all empire corps are like this is very ignorant to be honest.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-15 08:48:22 UTC
Roime wrote:
Avicus Janvier wrote:

How often does a normal corps get wardecced ?


Normal corps pretty much never get wardecced, and if they do, they can handle it. Wardecs are only a problem for hisec corps, which you should never under any circumstances join anyway- they will ruin your EVE experience with inactivity, bad management and false promises and boring gameplay.

Join a null, lowsec or wormhole corp and experience what EVE really is about.





Someone sounds butthurt that the highsec corp he did join was ****.

There are highsec corps that do very well.

And yes...all nullsec corps are good, there are no cases of being a puppet pet of another alliance, of leadership funding their accounts or RMT with the ISK that comes from their members, failcascading because they are **** or what so ever.....

Each type of space has its good and bad corps...and players...and playstyles. Just because your type of playstyle means you need to go to null and be just another grunt that must follow the rules andnorders of someone else doesnt mean that empire is ****.


Tl:dr... bad advice given by someone who sounds butthurt about highsec and likes to ordered around by someone in less secure space.

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#40 - 2013-05-15 10:11:31 UTC
Hi Folks,

Quick reminder that Corporation recruitment is not allowed in this part of the forums.

Thanks!

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