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So the pendulum is swinging back?

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Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-05-14 15:36:19 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Okay back to topic then.
I don´t think it is a pendulum. I think what we will see is a big fw breakdown after CCP has f... it up completely.
Some weks ago I was in cal/gal fw and it was completely dead. Flying around 4h to get 3 fights. Couple of weeks later I have placed my alt in there and I am astonished: It is even more dead now. I have left my suicide toon 6h afk in cal/gal fw lowsec and didn´t get killed. LOL.
Amarr/min is going to be dead too. Never had so little activity in that warzone.
Minnies are completely broken. But why? Well after seeing more and more newbie farming locusts and russian language in militia chat after we arrived at T3 I think I know why.
The good old pvp guys in min mili were angry to see only russian language and lp locusts in militia channel. They couldn´t identify with it any more and thought "oh my god what has become of this militia". Plus seeing that their pvping was worthless while the rusmatar horde farmed everything down in stabbed cloaky stuff making billions of isk.
People who want pvp see that the system of fw is completely broken and leave. Even the main fcs of the minnis left.
I don´t think it was Sahtogas that broke the minnies. Their own farming horde broke them.
The result is now that cal/gal is dead like hell and amarr/min is going to end that way too.
In earlier times you undocked in Kam and had 5mins later a fight. Now you roam around and are happy having a kill within 3h.
Farming horde is killing fw.
Just waiting when the farming horde will arrive in amarr militia. Actualy they haven´t but it is only a question "when" and not "if".


Looks like we are playing different games. Yesterday for example we have been so busy defending our home constellation that I even had problems to go for a one minute bio brake (it is really time someone invents pods in RL). WT comming from left, right and center to get shot at. From my perspective at least with regards to the Minmatar / Amarr frontline FW is very alive in the EU-evening time zone.


I have been in a bigger fleet yesterday evening. For 3 hours. When we came to Arzad/Tararan you only docked and cried for your mommy^^
All I killed yesterday in 3h fleet presence were 2 pirate feroxes and one poor minnie idiot who couldn´t run away fast enough.
Amarr are so short of kills atm that the fleet did even hold a wolf so that everyone could get on the kill. Only I missed it :P
Damn somehow I almost miss the old times.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#102 - 2013-05-14 15:37:31 UTC
zomg, now Amarr can be called the carebear race! Big smile
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#103 - 2013-05-14 15:40:32 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
zomg, now Amarr can be called the carebear race! Big smile


Not yet. Not yet. The russian farming horde actually hasn´t arrived amarr militia. But I bet they will farm the gals to hell^^
Damn that sh..t is soooooo broken.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#104 - 2013-05-14 15:53:06 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
zomg, now Amarr can be called the carebear race! Big smile
Not yet. Not yet. The russian farming horde actually hasn´t arrived amarr militia. But I bet they will farm the gals to hell^^
Damn that sh..t is soooooo broken.
We welcome our Amarr overlords with open arms.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#105 - 2013-05-14 16:18:09 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
zomg, now Amarr can be called the carebear race! Big smile
Not yet. Not yet. The russian farming horde actually hasn´t arrived amarr militia. But I bet they will farm the gals to hell^^
Damn that sh..t is soooooo broken.
We welcome our Amarr overlords with open arms.


Not amarr. Russian. Or better: Russian overlord farmers that were minmatar slaves before^^

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-05-14 16:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsuo Tsukaya
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

I have been in a bigger fleet yesterday evening. For 3 hours. When we came to Arzad/Tararan you only docked and cried for your mommy^^
All I killed yesterday in 3h fleet presence were 2 pirate feroxes and one poor minnie idiot who couldn´t run away fast enough.
Amarr are so short of kills atm that the fleet did even hold a wolf so that everyone could get on the kill. Only I missed it :P
Damn somehow I almost miss the old times.


Rolls in 24 person fleet with ECM and numbers too big to be engaged by majority of small gangs in FW, doesn't get engaged by small gangs in FW, complains FW is broken.

Seems 'bout right.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#107 - 2013-05-14 16:30:53 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:

I have been in a bigger fleet yesterday evening. For 3 hours. When we came to Arzad/Tararan you only docked and cried for your mommy^^
All I killed yesterday in 3h fleet presence were 2 pirate feroxes and one poor minnie idiot who couldn´t run away fast enough.
Amarr are so short of kills atm that the fleet did even hold a wolf so that everyone could get on the kill. Only I missed it :P
Damn somehow I almost miss the old times.


Rolls in 24 person fleet with ECM and numbers too big to be engaged by majority of small gangs in FW, doesn't get engaged by small gangs in FW, complains FW is broken.

Seems 'bout right.


Some weeks ago the minnies were able to field that stuff too.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#108 - 2013-05-14 17:02:27 UTC
Meditril wrote:
It is really fascinating to see how a serious topic can drift towards complete bullshit over the time of a week.



It seems to be drifting again.

I think few people care about tiers, other than to figure out what militia to put their alts in.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#109 - 2013-05-14 17:05:02 UTC
Meditril wrote:


Looks like we are playing different games. Yesterday for example we have been so busy defending our home constellation that I even had problems to go for a one minute bio brake (it is really time someone invents pods in RL). WT comming from left, right and center to get shot at. From my perspective at least with regards to the Minmatar / Amarr frontline FW is very alive in the EU-evening time zone.


This is one point I want to stress- especially every time Middleton comes on and states that Amarr doesn't leave it's home systems. If you are on the receiving end of a plexing blitz it is VERY time consuming. Even on days when you decide to get out and plex or roam elsewhere - the calls for help on comms to fight this or that five man gang turns you around pretty fast. Amarr Militia had to face this for months. We'll see how long Minmatar has to put up with it.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#110 - 2013-05-14 17:07:29 UTC
Cearain wrote:


Just looking through the api data I see a good pvper Zarnak Wulf was 27th as far as most vp gained yesterday (380 vp). Looks like only three kills that day though 5/13/13. Still better than my 3 losses and no kills for yesterday.



I make my isk off of FW LP. At moments where we hit tier 3 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#111 - 2013-05-14 17:22:38 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Not amarr. Russian. Or better: Russian overlord farmers that were minmatar slaves before^^

Damn Russians.

[Proposal] Ban all ip addresses originating from Russia.

Except those associated with Smile 'n' Wave alliance.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#112 - 2013-05-14 17:24:12 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I make my isk off of FW LP. At moments where we hit tier 3 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it.
Oh come on. How can you make all of your isk off of FW LP when you were clearly at Tier 1 for like 100 months straight.

This is totally unfair. Didn't you hear that Tier 1 is supposed to leave you in the poor house?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#113 - 2013-05-14 17:34:31 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Cearain wrote:


Just looking through the api data I see a good pvper Zarnak Wulf was 27th as far as most vp gained yesterday (380 vp). Looks like only three kills that day though 5/13/13. Still better than my 3 losses and no kills for yesterday.



I make my isk off of FW LP. At moments where we hit tier 3 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it.



I am not faulting you. I am just pointing out that you have to make a choice whether you really want to plex or you really want to pvp. That said I am at 5 losses in a row with no kill so I'm doing even worse.

X Gallentius wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I make my isk off of FW LP. At moments where we hit tier 3 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it.
Oh come on. How can you make all of your isk off of FW LP when you were clearly at Tier 1 for like 100 months straight.

This is totally unfair. Didn't you hear that Tier 1 is supposed to leave you in the poor house?



Your petulant comment would make sense if Zarnak said "At moments where we hit tier 1 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it." But he didn't say that. So your post makes little sense.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-05-14 17:43:09 UTC
Tarn Vedera wrote:

Another thing to notice, the minmatar havn't been able to capture any of the systems that amarr took from them. They had one system vulnerable, and PL hot-dropping it kept them from taking it. ...

i noticed PL is very active in our territory too. They usually use fleets we have no chances to fight with.
And i see many other neutrals around. Let's say: from 20 people in local it's usually 5-7 of gal/minmatar FW, 1-2 amarr/caldari and 10+ neutrals.

I guess last FW change has something with these things too.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#115 - 2013-05-14 17:49:33 UTC
Well, look at that. Faction Warfare occupancy being decided by players actually doing the whole plexing thing. Who would have thought? it´s not just about the infamous farmers then.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#116 - 2013-05-14 17:57:44 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
Well, look at that. Faction Warfare occupancy being decided by players actually doing the whole plexing thing. Who would have thought? it´s not just about the infamous farmers then.

???????????

It is all about farmers. ONLY about farmers.
Amarr militia resurrected because fweddit stopped pvping and started farming. ROFL.
Idiotic...sh...

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#117 - 2013-05-14 18:02:29 UTC
Don´t be dense.

It´s about the players deciding to actually play the FW game, plexing included. Do you think we don´t get bored plexing or defensive plexing systems? yesh. However, we DO get fights doing it, and we DO keep the militia tier doing it. It´s how fw works and Amarr is right now proving what many said was impossible: if your people get off their butts and start playing the game instead of whinning to CCP about it, you get good things going.

Amarr at tier 3 is NOT the result of a blob of farmers as they have been traditionally defined in FW, but a direct result of corp and alliances doing ****. If you can´t see that well, sucks for you. I consider it prove that FW while in need of fixes is not by all means "broken" because "farmers".
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#118 - 2013-05-14 18:06:26 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
Well, look at that. Faction Warfare occupancy being decided by players actually doing the whole plexing thing. Who would have thought? it´s not just about the infamous farmers then.



You seem to assume farmers do not do the whole plexing thing.

But anyway sov isn't decided by farmers - it's decided by rabbits.

Zarnak is neither a farmer or a rabbit but it should be revealing that he explained his recent top spot on the vp list by saying he did it for the isk. Its pretty clear to most, you wouldn't do that for the pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#119 - 2013-05-14 18:14:04 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
Don´t be dense.

It´s about the players deciding to actually play the FW game, plexing included. Do you think we don´t get bored plexing or defensive plexing systems? yesh. However, we DO get fights doing it, and we DO keep the militia tier doing it. It´s how fw works and Amarr is right now proving what many said was impossible: if your people get off their butts and start playing the game instead of whinning to CCP about it, you get good things going.

Amarr at tier 3 is NOT the result of a blob of farmers as they have been traditionally defined in FW, but a direct result of corp and alliances doing ****. If you can´t see that well, sucks for you. I consider it prove that FW while in need of fixes is not by all means "broken" because "farmers".



Zarnak got 3 kills that day.

Winning faction war is about stopping the pvp and starting the plex timers. to paraphrase a recent fw player: who wants to waste their time with pvp?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#120 - 2013-05-14 18:58:29 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Your petulant comment would make sense if Zarnak said "At moments where we hit tier 1 I will put in a day or two to take advantage of it." But he didn't say that. So your post makes little sense.

You're right again. He only said he makes all his isk from FW LP and Amarr had been in Tier 1 for a bazillion months in a row. There's no correlation there whatsoever between being able to fund a quality pvp existence and being at Tier 1. Nope. None whatsoever. Thanks for straightening me out again Cearain. Much appreciated.