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No Defending Navy!!!

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Khemax
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-05-11 20:12:02 UTC
Virru wrote:
Khemax wrote:
Theres a big difference between understanding a design mechanic and exploiting a design oversight


Who are you to say which is which?



Did I say which was which no.....I leave that to CCP to sort out

Sheesh
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-05-11 21:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Hmm, lame. File a petition or a bug report, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Nightfox BloodRaven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-11 23:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Honestly he is hacking i once hid in a cloaker and watched him.. no navy spawned on him for over 40 minutes.. he dosent even need to shoot them...

He claims its the game mechanic but honestly he is just a hacker..

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-05-11 23:49:29 UTC
Nightfox BloodRaven wrote:
Honestly he is hacking i once hid in a cloaker and watched him.. no navy spawned on him for over 40 minutes.. he dosent even need to shoot them...

He claims its the game mechanic but honestly he is just a hacker..
…which you obviously can prove… somehow?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-05-12 02:16:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nightfox BloodRaven wrote:
Honestly he is hacking i once hid in a cloaker and watched him.. no navy spawned on him for over 40 minutes.. he dosent even need to shoot them...

He claims its the game mechanic but honestly he is just a hacker..
…which you obviously can prove… somehow?

Simple he was an AFK cloaker and thus was everywhere for the duration.
This is very simple.

Also I have watched Dav as well and he never gets a tail after his little warp exploit.
Then again the same thing was done by the Caldari militia in Hek.

The only real annoyance is if one of the freighters decides to warp immediately and then keeps you from warping out immediately in a ship that gets alphastruck.

CCP make undocking intangibility last for the full 30 seconds not just until player action!
Masrina Yasmin
The Sword and The Shield
#26 - 2013-05-12 03:18:36 UTC
What's the problem? Stop being a derp. Go in cloaked ships.. warp to his position, bump his align. Kill his ship and pod. Navy NPC suck anyway.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-12 04:10:41 UTC
Masrina Yasmin wrote:
What's the problem?

The problem is the Navy should be attacking him in Jita, as I highly doubt this is an intentional mechanic put in place by CCP. I would have thought that is pretty obvious.
Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-05-13 11:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Masrina Yasmin wrote:
What's the problem?

The problem is the Navy should be attacking him in Jita, as I highly doubt this is an intentional mechanic put in place by CCP. I would have thought that is pretty obvious.



You assumption is incorrect. you are thinking of concord.
Concord is the only NPC your are not allowed to avoid.

FW Navies are no different than standard rats spawns allthough much more powerful.
If you can avoid there damage you are allowed to do so as long as no bugs are involved.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2013-05-13 11:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
NEONOVUS wrote:
Simple he was an AFK cloaker and thus was everywhere for the duration.
This is very simple.

Also I have watched Dav as well and he never gets a tail after his little warp exploit.
Then again the same thing was done by the Caldari militia in Hek.
…and the proof that he's hacking is…?

Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
The problem is the Navy should be attacking him in Jita, as I highly doubt this is an intentional mechanic put in place by CCP.
The FW-hunting navy ships are specifically designed to be evadable, survivable, and defeatable. So unless there's some more detail about what he is (and isn't) doing, then just sitting around and not being attacked is not a problem.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2013-05-14 15:52:38 UTC
Thread cleaned of trolling, off topic and personal attack posts. Keep it civil people!

Also: moved to Warfare & Tactics.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#31 - 2013-05-14 15:56:59 UTC
The navy has a maximum number of spawns. These spawns have transferred their aggression to some uber-tanking afk alt in the same system - leaving the other militia members free to beat up on everybody else in the system.

If you have problems with this mechanic, then please move to low sec where you don't have to deal with this stuff.
Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#32 - 2013-05-14 16:41:20 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
The navy has a maximum number of spawns. These spawns have transferred their aggression to some uber-tanking afk alt in the same system - leaving the other militia members free to beat up on everybody else in the system.

If you have problems with this mechanic, then please move to low sec where you don't have to deal with this stuff.




maybe you should actually watch the video before offering an explanation that is obviously not what is happening in the video.
greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#33 - 2013-05-14 16:54:31 UTC
X Gall is right on the mark. Also,
Get a few battleships with neutral reppers and just shoot navy npc's until they stop spawning. Then you can fly around high sec enemy territory without having to worry about being webbed/ neuter etc by the npc's navy.
Worked well when RONIN was in OMS next to Villore.
greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#34 - 2013-05-14 17:00:10 UTC
As for the video..... Why complain about your fellow militia members??? You mention you cannot contact him in the video! I do know SP-DR have plenty of decent pilots that will assist you. Just check their website.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#35 - 2013-05-14 17:23:51 UTC
greg01 wrote:
X Gall is right on the mark. Also,
Get a few battleships with neutral reppers and just shoot navy npc's until they stop spawning. Then you can fly around high sec enemy territory without having to worry about being webbed/ neuter etc by the npc's navy.
Worked well when RONIN was in OMS next to Villore.



Did you actually do this? How many spawns did you have to shoot before they stopped spawning. Did they stop spawning until the next downtime?

I think XG said something different than you. He is suggesting that there is an alt in a safe spot with a large permatank running. All the navy is shooting that perma tank, and leaving all other enemy militia free.


It seems people are quick to say this is, or is not, an exploit when the person doing it hasn't actually described how he does it.

I think if ccp decides they do not want to have navys in high sec they should just do that. But having some wonky way to permanently avoid the navy is pretty silly.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#36 - 2013-05-14 17:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Aducat Ragnarson wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
The navy has a maximum number of spawns. These spawns have transferred their aggression to some uber-tanking afk alt in the same system - leaving the other militia members free to beat up on everybody else in the system.If you have problems with this mechanic, then please move to low sec where you don't have to deal with this stuff.
maybe you should actually watch the video before offering an explanation that is obviously not what is happening in the video.
Edit: Yup you're right. It seems the SPDR has paid off the Caldari Navy.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-05-14 17:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebecha Pucontis
Dav Varan wrote:
You assumption is incorrect. you are thinking of concord.
Concord is the only NPC your are not allowed to avoid.

FW Navies are no different than standard rats spawns allthough much more powerful.
If you can avoid there damage you are allowed to do so as long as no bugs are involved.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Using offensive language? Anyway, I wasn't accusing you of exploiting, but just saying this seems like a pretty crap mechanic put in by CCP which allows this to happen.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-05-14 17:36:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The FW-hunting navy ships are specifically designed to be evadable, survivable, and defeatable. So unless there's some more detail about what he is (and isn't) doing, then just sitting around and not being attacked is not a problem.

I agree, which is why we need more detail. He didn't seem to be evading the Navy in any way, simply sitting there whilst the Navy ignores him.
Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-14 17:53:55 UTC
There have been some good guess , but not right

This is how we do it.
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#40 - 2013-05-14 19:17:15 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Edit: Yup you're right. It seems the SPDR has paid off the Caldari Navy.


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