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Need advice on what ship to go for (career related)

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Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-14 00:03:37 UTC
Hi

I've returned to EVE after a 5 year break. I have about 5 mil SP and quite a lot of ISK, but for all intense purposes I'm a noob now.

I need some advice with regards to what ship would best suit my needs.. I'm interested in the following..

Exploring (and what that generally entails)
Salvaging
Stealth
Combat (missions and EVENTUALLY PvP)
A faster ship as opposed to a slow 'sit there and pew pew' monster

The two ships I have my eye on (and they vary wildly) is a Tengu and a Manticore.

I would opt for the Manticore for it's buffed stealth abilities and the fact it's more agile.. But how much of the above could I do in that vessel? I'm geussing salvaging is out.. And how far down the mission running line could I go with it? I'd rather switch fittings for specific areas rather than changing ships.

I'd also welcome any other suggestions

Thanks
Z

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-05-14 00:13:48 UTC
If you want a ship that can do it all, get a Tengu and appropriate sub-systems.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#3 - 2013-05-14 00:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: I Love Boobies
Personally, I think a Tengu pretty much covers mostly what you want. Getting the skills for the Tengu will also allow you to get skills for the other cruisers for PVP later on since you need Caldari Cruiser V for the Tengu. You can fit various subsystems to meet whatever it is you want to do at the time. You can remove subsystems and change them out like modules. So if it was me, I would go for the Tengu since it opens up the possibility for other cruiser class ships and so on.

And with stealth bombers, I haven't liked them since they changed to torpedoes. Cannot keep the range like you could with the cruise missile stealth bombers. Haven't flown them since they switched to torps.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-14 00:16:18 UTC
Are your purposes really that intense? Or did you mean Intents? Lol

Tengu is good for exploration can be fit for stealth as well. Manticore is good for stealth death dealing. Stealth bombers are not as versatile as what you are wanting. Good for PVP not so much for PVE kind of a waste of ammo to use one in a lvl1 or 2 mission. It is ok to have more than one ship.The tengu will tear up missions and do most of what you are wanting to do.

With only 5 mil sp you should look into using some t1 hulls for missions for now maybe.
Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-14 00:31:17 UTC
Thanks for the quick replies :)

I will aim for the Tengu. I can fly one now but need about a month of training before I could fly it well. I won't rule out the Manticore for later PvP antics.

I have a Drake which I'm using currently but I really don't like the look of it. I know it's not all about looks but you have to be happy about what you're flying right? And when your ship looks like a soggy waffle.. Well... :/

Thanks again guys
Z
C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-05-14 06:06:33 UTC
If you like exploration you should train up the t2 covops scanning frigates. After Odyssey I have a feeling that those ships will be the king of exploration. You will be able to do the all mag and radar sites in low and null. The traveling with a covops in low is really safe and if you learn to break gatecamps it is relatively safe in null too.

Cheap ship, big reward. Also shared skill requirements with bombers.
NameWasTakenAlready
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-14 10:48:23 UTC
A Loki or Proteus is also acceptable. Lokis are nimble and equally flexible with the tengu, and the Proteus is a passable exploration ship which is also stupidly good in PvP, either straight buffer blaster or a covops ganker.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#8 - 2013-05-14 12:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
I always felt like the cost of the t3 cruisers closed off more options than their versatility opened up.

If you like using drones then arb into pilgrim is a very versatile platform for lowsec work. Wormholes need something a little heavier, but with good drone skills a Domi is hard to beat for ISK / effectiveness. And battleships fit to move quickly and with a 100mn mwd / cloak are actually very stealthy.

If you dont like drones then something like a Vigilance or Deimos or a fleet issue stabber could be fit with a cloak. These are fast, hard hitting ships and I have often wondered how far you could push them as far as PVE content.

The "do everything ship" is obviously the t3 line, but they do have drawbacks and there is a lot of fun to be had thinking a bit outside of the box. Any ship can make use of a cloak and fit scan rigs.

I think the more important question is what skills you want to train, once that's done you can try out some different things and see what you prefer. Get your core standard done, choose a cruiser to get to 5 and a medium weapon to train to t2, and go from there.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2013-05-14 12:39:13 UTC
Moved to Ships & Modules.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-14 13:49:49 UTC
Zamm wrote:
Hi

I've returned to EVE after a 5 year break. I have about 5 mil SP and quite a lot of ISK, but for all intense purposes I'm a noob now.

I need some advice with regards to what ship would best suit my needs.. I'm interested in the following..

Exploring (and what that generally entails)
Salvaging
Stealth
Combat (missions and EVENTUALLY PvP)
A faster ship as opposed to a slow 'sit there and pew pew' monster

The two ships I have my eye on (and they vary wildly) is a Tengu and a Manticore.

I would opt for the Manticore for it's buffed stealth abilities and the fact it's more agile.. But how much of the above could I do in that vessel? I'm geussing salvaging is out.. And how far down the mission running line could I go with it? I'd rather switch fittings for specific areas rather than changing ships.

I'd also welcome any other suggestions

Thanks
Z




Tengu is going to be a swiss army knife for you. They are more expensive than most hulls but they are well worth the investment.

If you want to cross-train into another race I reccommend Amarr. A HAM Legion is also viable and you won't have to make an intial skill investment in turrets to make it work. For the most part.
Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-15 22:05:39 UTC
Thanks again for the additional input.

A Tengu is going to be a large investment and a potential big loss.. So that will be something to aim for the future.

I would like to go the T2 covert ops route but if I'm in a buzzard doing exploring, will it be able to kill the rats that I'm bound to run into?

Z
Ginger Barbarella
#12 - 2013-05-15 23:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Before sinking into the cost of a Strat Cruiser, may I suggest looking at a Pilgrim? Check it out, see if it has the fitting for what you want to do. If you can dock your can swap out some fits to move between pure combat and exploration fits, but it covers a lot of the bases you want.

At the risk of angering the restless purists, you might look at the new Gnosis, also. It can't handle your stealth requirement, but it might we worth looking at.

Edit: after reading Zappity's post, I assumed you were talking about exploration outside high sec. For high sec exploration just about anything with enough mids will do nicely. The requirement for stealth isn't really necessary in high sec.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#13 - 2013-05-15 23:25:20 UTC
T1 frigates of your choice and start PvP in Faction Warfare. Good isk and 5m SP is more than enough to get the started. Much more interesting than PvE.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zamm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-16 00:00:35 UTC
You assumed right Ginger. But I'm taking my time to get there of course. I looked at the pilgrim but it would take a month to train just to be able to fly it. I looked at the Caldari equivalent but the 'flavour' of the ship really isn't what I'm looking for.

If the Buzzard can be equipped to explore and scan/hack AND be able to to take out rats ok then I will start training for that immediately... But I'm not sure of it's capability. Still very much a learner here. I plan on learning as I go but I'm trying to find the right direction first.

Zappity, that is a good idea and I will definitely look into that eventually.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#15 - 2013-05-16 00:09:24 UTC
Drone bonused cruisers are nice to use for exploration. I started ls exploration in a arbitrator then switched to a Gila, it has a nice drone dronebay and drone bandwisth, it can use 5 sentries. Its not cloaky, and you will find most cloaky ships will not do huge amounts of dps. Using drones let you use your highs for scanning, salvaging, cloak, etc and the mids for hacking, etc.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-05-16 03:03:52 UTC
Ishtar for all PVE related business. Tengu if youre a sheep. but Ishtar > Tengu for nullsec exploration due to much lower cost of ship loss : proft ratio.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#17 - 2013-05-19 19:30:11 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Ishtar for all PVE related business. Tengu if youre a sheep. but Ishtar > Tengu for nullsec exploration due to much lower cost of ship loss : proft ratio.


If using the best tool for the job is being a sheep.. then bhaaa to you.
If your ishtar can hit things 30-60km's away while approaching the gate to the next room then perhaps it may be better. But i have used a Gila, which is much the same as the ishtar and I can confidently say the Tengu is better.. Feel free to check my loss mails and you will see I have lost neither.

If you worried about loosing ships in eve you should probably not undock.

PS if you google Sir livingston, he has some good vids on how best to get into exploration.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-19 23:24:32 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Feel free to check my loss mails and you will see I have lost neither..


but we can also assume that you fly neither...
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#19 - 2013-05-20 00:42:07 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Feel free to check my loss mails and you will see I have lost neither..


but we can also assume that you fly neither...

You sure could.. BUT does any of what I have said sound like someone who hasn't? If it does.. say where Blink