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Why do exhumers SUCK??
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-05-13 06:03:29 UTC
OP you aren't going to win this. The few of us who can see the obvious truth, which is that Exhumers are woefully underpowered in comparison to their barge counterparts, are greatly outnumbered by people who think that 1% extra yield per level on the Mackinaw makes all the difference in the world.

It is true that the Mackinaw's 2 strips do the work of 3, same with the Retriever though. Supposedly Exhumers are supposed to have significantly higher output but they don't. Hulk yields at most 15% more ore than a Covetor, Mackinaw has about the same yield as a Retriever and slightly more storage space, only real difference is tank and that mostly counts on the Procurer/Skiff - which not very many people fly because the other barges have enough EHP for highsec, and lowsec isn't worth mining in (yet).

The Covetor and Hulk are supposed to be the high-yield barges but they are only flown by people who are bad at math or people who have ORCA support. The tiny yield increase is outweighed by the extra time spent hauling the ore.

Here's the yield amounts at skill V, with 1 being equal to an unaltered strip miner:

Procurer: 3
Retriever: 3
Covetor: 3.6
Skiff: 3.15
Mackinaw: 3.15
Hulk: 3.9675

Yep, Hulk mines 32.25% faster than a Procurer, but holds less, and has less EHP, takes higher skills and costs a whole lot more.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#42 - 2013-05-13 11:58:34 UTC
Ormand Antollare wrote:
That's a uniquely disrespectful comment, you reprehensible psuedo-intellectual hard-ass loser. I feel some pity for you eve players whose lives are so pathetic that they feel the need to be hard on good people like me. I'm sorry your expectations in life have fallen short so many times that you take pleasure in trying to make me feel the same. I, on the other hand, have the character, good nature, and enough sheer success in life not to display this pitiful character flaw.

To those who where helpful, kudos for not being transformed into a malevolent basement-dwelling cretin.

As somebody with some REAL intelligence, (I don't just think I'm smart, I actually am) I don't entirely agree with this game mechanic. The price and sheer time invested are not reflected by the actual gain/return. If I manage to get the money to buy a Ferrari, it would not be right for me to receive only a slightly better honda civic. (With a different paint job) In this case nobody would want to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars for only a slight upgrade. There is no actual need for the game to be this way. Games are fair because the rules are consistent from player to player.

If I spend 10 times more money and time on improving my tennis game than somebody else, for instance, Then I should expect to be about 10 times better, not 14% better. That's not how real life works; that's not how ANYTHING works. One more example. If I buy a handgun and somebody else spends 10 times more on a state-of-the-art assault rifle, I should expect to be blown the hell away in a gunfight between us! You get what you pay foe in life.

Yeah I already know what you miserable bastards are going to say: "If you don't like it, then quit." Yeah maybe I don't and maybe I will, but not necessarily because I am wrong and the game is right. But simply because I ******* disagree with the mechanics of this game. I will miss some of the lovely people on here but there are certainly many of you who I will not miss.


I've heard legend tell of an infection called Bittervet ... its true origin remains a mystery to noobs like us - perhaps after many years of space-toil we shall come to appreciate the idiocy that we beget. Until then, I will be appreciating this hella-cool universe that is EVE and thanking my lucky stars that it is, at least, not World of Warcraft or Tetris. Although ... as they say in the biz: Consider this, you are asking people who have no dog in the fight to help you. Asking for the advice of the unconcerned will only ever get you so far ... I think that's how the quote goes ...

If you want to start a truly meaningful conversation join a Corp and mention Bacon, Rum or Nipples in chat... enjoy yourself and try not to take the criticism or let bittervet weasel you out of an otherwise amazing interactive experience. Also, if you want to fleet mine sometime add me and we can shoot rocks in hi-sec together YKYMFer!!

Also, if you got your "money's worth" for every ever ship/skill upgrade new players like us would never stand a chance ... EVE just turned 10yrs old a short while ago ... consider the long-term arc of that game mechanic - EVE would be dead by now.

Thank me later :D
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-05-13 18:35:58 UTC
Ormand Antollare wrote:

If I spend 10 times more money and time on improving my tennis game than somebody else, for instance, Then I should expect to be about 10 times better, not 14% better.

This I think illustrates how little 'Real' intelligence you used before you typed this ****. And by your hurf-blurf automobile argument, a million dollar car should go a 100 times faster than a 10K dollar car? You are of very pitiful mental faculties and I doubt if you are at all successful in real life with that 'superior' intellect of yours. Maybe you make a living from stealing from old women, i don't know. You should just go away from Eve. In this case, Eve will actually stand to gain something with your departure. Take your friends along too, if you have any that is.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-05-13 20:57:37 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Ormand Antollare wrote:
Do you guys believe in mining drones?


I prefer mining asteroids.

Sorry, that was truly bad...


Yeah, they nerfed rogue drone mining some time ago Blink
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