These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Assembly Hall

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

[Proposal] rebuke ship Resist nerf
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Beast Branded
OGB Investment Solutons
#1 - 2013-05-13 00:36:29 UTC
To CSM the post was my reply to the new nerf CCP Fozzie is attemping to invoke...

I believe the Chage would affect Smaller/Solo Groups of players more so then affect any Super-Cap Battle as Fozzie has proclaimed


Why Nerf the Ships borne resists if the problem is in XXXL fleets... i mean you could have just removed the 1% from the Amor warfare link - passive defence and the Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Modules... you know the ones you ommited from your extended calculations... these mods are generally used in larger fleets the buff the "overpowered" Resist Bonus...

these mods ALSO Get 100% per level Buff when Seige/Armored Warfare Specialist is trained...

when Skilled up a pilot can give and extra 12.5% to resist to his own fleet members.

That wasn't in your calculations nor the fact that a slight in the nerf in the defense of a ship is in fact only really affecting the smaller groups of players and the PVE community where that 1% drop is infact a 20% pontetial loss from to a newer player but can be cut to roughly in half for Fleeting players....

the best solution to this issue would be to leave the stats as is a nerf the Seige/Armored Warfare Specialist to 50% or the 1% base from the warfare links


this way Mega Fleets Can try a different tactic and the smaller Gangs or solo pilots can still do there thing.... you don't have to Buff anything, and the Masses don't have to be envolved in you MGL doctrines

PS i'm forwarding this to the CSM's
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-13 06:37:24 UTC
Because large fleets certainly don't ever use ships with resist bonuses.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#3 - 2013-05-13 11:11:28 UTC
The idea is actually to buff ships with the active rep bonus in solo/small gang pvp, by nerfing the resist bonus...
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#4 - 2013-05-13 13:53:22 UTC
Jill Antaris wrote:
The idea is actually to buff ships with the active rep bonus in solo/small gang pvp, by nerfing the resist bonus...



That would only make sense if they nerfed every other bonus beside active rep bonus. Or of course they could just buff the active rep bonus if that is what they wanted to accomplish.

But instead they picked one single bonus and nerfed it. So which of the ships with the bonus are so overpowered?

Here are the ships that one would use in small gangs that have it - Merlin, punisher, moa, maller, drake, prophecy, rokh, abbadon. Are all these ships so overpowered they need a nerf? I really haven't done any battleship pvp lately but IMO the others are either fine or could use a buff.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
#5 - 2013-05-13 17:10:26 UTC
I fly many of the smaller hulls with resistance bonuses. I have lot of love for abaddon. But yet I would hope that CCP would remove such resistance bonuses. Since they give pretty much OP for larger ships that are not capable avoiding damage with speed.

I also would like that smaller ship would have more even out speed and sig and ehp since right now minnies have really good evasion tank. So that makes their smaller hulls really good standing against other race hulls.

So please no more res bonus and make the evasion tank similar for all the races. So bigger and smaller ships can be in better balance.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-13 19:31:09 UTC
Nerfing the little guy - CCP wants you in blobs, where the fleet bonuses drowns out the ship nerf and makes it a non-nerf. Don't want to be nerfed? Join the blob.Cool
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-19 04:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Beast Branded wrote:
To CSM the post was my reply to the new wound CCP Fozzie is rushing to tear...

I believe the Chage would hurt My Playstyle more so then affect my Opponents as Fozzie has proclaimed


Why Nerf the resists of all Ships if the problem is in XXXXXL fleets... i mean you could have just removed 1% from the Doomsday weapons and Fighter Bombers and achieve the same result... you know the ones you ommited from your "extended" calculations... besides, the resist bonuses are only overpowered when you have a big enough fleet to get the resist warfare links. It make have the same percentage effect on people regardless of the on-board resist bonuses they have but I'm on a rant here so don't try and reason with me.

these warfare links ALSO Get 100% per level Buff and 100% sounds much bigger than 1%.

when Skilled up a pilot can give and extra 12.5% to resist to his own fleet members. I demand that my Maller get its 20% armor resist bonus (and only mine) (I only have Amarr Cruiser trained to 4) so that I have a chance when I try to fight a Damnation fleet.

You guys obviously haven't done your math here and this nerf will really only affect smaller groups of less-skilled players because reducing the per-level skill bonus makes it hurt more when you have less skill levels. It's really noticeable at skill level 1 where it's a 20% loss of the whole tiny resist bonus you get....

the best solution to this issue would be to leave the stats as is and nerf every resist bonus that's bigger than what I can fly, like Warfare Links


this way Mega Fleets Can try a different tactic and the smaller Gangs or solo pilots can still have a chance against big mega fleets.... you don't have to Buff anything, and the Masses don't have to be envolved in you MGL doctrines

PS i'm forwarding this to the CSM's

I disagree with your math as much as I disagree with your logic. The argument for the resist nerf is simple:
5% resist per level is equal to 7.5% HP, 7.5% more on-board reps, and 7.5% more incoming reps all put together. Since that's overpowered, CCP is nerfing the resist bonus to 4% per level.

If their production team was alright at math, the resists would never have been put at 5% to begin with.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-05-22 01:01:43 UTC
I hear World of Warcraft has a banal cycle of buffs and nerfs based on who complains the most. You probably belong there.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-22 04:34:10 UTC
Scooter McCabe wrote:
I hear Eve has a banal cycle of buffs and nerfs based on which blob complains the most.


Fixed that for you.Smile
Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-05-23 05:17:25 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Scooter McCabe wrote:
I hear Eve has a banal cycle of buffs and nerfs based on which blob complains the most.


Fixed that for you.Smile


You are right, that blob is what we refer to as Carebears. Of all the alliances in Null Sec their numbers are for nothing when it comes to the disorganized, unwashed, fecal tossing masses of the Hi Sec entitlement crowd. That's your blob.