Ships & Modules

on paper I don't think its that bad but I don't think the nerfs will change much. the ships everyone liked before are still more or less the same and ships that sucked before will still suck (with special mention going to the raven which gains next to nothing and still has a mostly useless weapon system) sniper bc's will still be popular because they tend to be more survivable than ABC's and slightly more forgiving to fit. you're right about them becoming rare outside nullsec aside from incursions or pvp gangs and i'm disapointed more wasn't done

Um...which ones got nerfed?
Last I checked they got a pretty heft buff across the board...

Battleships should be versatile DPS monsters with plenty of staying power to justify their massive drawbacks (speed, size, scan res). They would have all needed one more slot + fitting to use it, and 20-30% EHP across the board, along with sensor strength.

Squishing them into attack/combat roles doesn't suit the ship class, and this small ship division is the source of the changes that appear as nerfs.

I think one of the reasons CCP did this nerf was because people said "omg its a rokh"

5% in total =P

but yeah, saying that BS got a massive nerfhammer is an exaggeration, it was just a bunch of tweaks (with some ships getting rehauls) so there are some winners and losers coming out of it but it isn't just a massive blanket nerf.

Anyone who doesn't think that the new geddon isn't going to be a murdermobile should go back to EVE Uni.

And dat phoon!

while i agree that battleships are becoming less cost effective in anything but blob warfare, i'm perfectly OK with it. it's a BATTLEship, so it should be used in BATTLES, not skirmishes.

that said, i also tend to think that ABCs are kind of stealing BSs thunder in blob warfare. one way to combat this would be to introduce a battleship specific damage control which gives larger resistance bonuses or buffs RR (while at the same time nerfing max speed or some other feature that is less relevant in blobs but makes it unattractive in other areas). with the resistance boost from the new module, battleships could showcase their higher EHP and gain an edge in the role they are best suited for.

A murdermobile that is outperformed by the abaddon in it's own neuting role except for neut range, which is admittedly important. However the Abaddon has an easier time fitting them, can sustain them for longer due to a better cap and tanks better (at least on yesterdays Sisi build), whereas the Abaddons tank has been nerfed without any other change.

Considering the Abaddon was the only viable Amarr ship in blobs and that it wasn't exactly outstanding except when used by PL against -A-'s DRAEK blobs they kept throwing at them, I don't think the nerf is justified.

The Geddon will be a neat Gimmick ship - the poor mans Bhaal, but comparing ABS to ABCs whilst ABCs cost 1/4 is a plain joke.

Someone put a reasonable reply, claiming they mostly got reshuflled, and I'd basically agree with that (an OP always has to be somewhat exagerated to spark discussion, imho), but that's the very point I'm criticising - they weren't buffed (except for Caldari, but that's mostly due to CM changes),

Regarding their overall roles, it's mostly nerfs - whoever claimed they were buffed should please state which ones where, except for the ones undergoing complete rolechanges, making the future meta quite unpredictable.

However, as I stated in the OP, they have been in about as much of a sad state as T1 cruisers before the buff.

Now what happened to T1 frigs and cruisers was a buff accross the board (except for the rifter and rupture, which were OP beyond recoginition before rebelance).

T1 BS needed even more of a buff, but sadly, it didn't happen.

Have you ever seen an overproptortional amount of BS outside blobs similar to the terrible DRAEK/CAEN monoculture we've been facing during last years? I think not.

Now with these changes, I can't see BS reemerge outside blobs or station games.

Increased build cost on top of what looks like a nerf disguised to look like a general balancing.I like to know how they justify that.

I miss the Chivalry Ravens. When will CCP make them cool again?