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Liberty Roach
October Country
#21 - 2013-05-12 00:39:57 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense.

Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter.

Oy, who took the jam out of your doughnut anyways, grumpy? Lighten up, for farks sake. The woman just wants a good paintjob on her ship, what's wrong with that?
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-05-12 00:43:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Elenor Torneau wrote:
4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet.


Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in.


Well, she's comparing their EWAR capabilities to the Amarr...

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Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#23 - 2013-05-12 01:53:02 UTC
Liberty Roach wrote:
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing.

I swear it's true, cross my heart and hope to die. My mum's cousin's sister in law is married to a Sebbie, and there's something slightly gone wrong with his fillings. At night, yeah? At night, when they's asleep, and he begins to snore, it triggers this malfunction in his teeth, yeah, and they begin to broadcast Jita Local, loud enough for her to hear. She said it was well creepy the first couple times, but she's used to it by now.

That reminds me, I should really check in on them. They's kinda struggling lately, I heard. Got taken by a scam, the silly woman.


Jita local while sleeping, now that's a scary thought. Imagine the dreams.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Kim Ji-Young wrote:


I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that.


You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense.

Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter.


Your name is Fredfredbug4, so I don't think you're in a position to tell others about what makes sense and what doesn't.
Liberty Roach
October Country
#24 - 2013-05-12 02:14:03 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Jita local while sleeping, now that's a scary thought. Imagine the dreams.

I know, right? If it was me, I'd go batty.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-05-12 02:22:50 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:


Your name is Fredfredbug4, so I don't think you're in a position to tell others about what makes sense and what doesn't.


It's shortened from Frederik Fredal Bugabus the Fourth. I have connections to the Gallente ceremonial monarchy from my Ethnic Gallente father's side (I am half Deteis afterall). My family isn't high up in it at all, we're not even worth being recognized for it. Basically all we get out of it is getting fast-tracked to officer positions if one of us should choose a military career, an occasional dinner-party invite, and a little coat of arms to stamp on documents and stuff. Really nothing major.

Of course, I shortened the name when I was much younger and prefer being called Fred. I simply abhor the idea of deserving special treatment, recognition, and wealth just for being born.

The coat of arms is cool though.

Anyway, all that personal fluff about my family history is irrelevant in this case. You're acting like a child.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#26 - 2013-05-12 02:36:26 UTC
Minmatar ships aren't that bad, actually. Figure that after we conquered the Minmatar Empire that whatever sad ship designs & technology they had was looked at, laughed at, and tossed into the furnace by the Amarrian shipwrights who found them.

Their rebellion didn't come until several centuries later, and by that time anything they were using - theft, scavenging, whatever - was basically Amarrian technology that they "appropriated" for their own purposes.

So in other words, and I know this is really going to burn their all-consuming pride, but the fact is that Minmatar ship technology is quite obviously rooted in Amarrian ship technology. It may look different on the outside (gold ain't cheap, and art & aesthetics aren't their strong points either) but when you get down to the underlying principles the foundations of all their technology is Amarrian.

Now since then they've gotten a lot of help from the Federation, and I'm sure the Caldari sold them some stuff too. But if you were look it in terms of evolution, every Minmatar ship today can ultimately trace it's ancestory to a stolen Amarrian ship from the days of the rebellion.

So with that in mind I feel no shame in saying that Minmatar ships can actually be pretty decent. After all, they're descended from some of the finest ships in New Eden.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#27 - 2013-05-12 03:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
For all you other people diverting the topic to talking about how minmatar ships are the best, well of course you think that, because that's what you got taught. My educators taught me that my race's ships were the best too, and I'm sure it's the same for every race. However, looking at it objectively, you've got to admit it - you've got some rustbuckets there. The thing I saw (I don't know what it was) wasn't going to win any wars, it wasn't even winning the war against oxidisation.


The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.

What Matari ships lack is expanded superstructures and extensive armor plating, except around vital areas or when extensively armor-fitted. This reduces their mass and allows for greater speed, while also reducing expenses and helping to reduce signature radius (though the heat emanated from the panels makes up for it). It also makes Matari vessels more modular--it is much easier to make changes and additions to the superstructure in dock. This all comes at the cost of increased fragility, though the shielding systems and hull integrity fields help offset this.

This is why they don't look "pretty".
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#28 - 2013-05-12 05:08:30 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I saw my first one today. So many questions.

1. How do those things fly, I mean, really?
2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what.
3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on?
4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?

I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.


1) Farting. Yes, I'm serious.

2) Look up "tuned chassis-flexion" or similar. A perfectly rigid-throughout brick of a chassis is sometimes less optimal for manoeverability, especially when you consider that ours also have to deal with the kick-back from our preferred weapons-systems. All that energy does need to go somewhere, after all, and absorption into non-structure-critical areas that have some "give" to them is arguably better than trying to dissipate through a whole structure that has less or no "give" to help it do so. (In other words, we know that no system is perfectly efficient, and that our gyroscopic counterbalancer mounts certainly aren't. They day we get that sorted is the day these will be able to re-fire as fast as these without literally battering their host-platform into junk in seconds.).

3) A bit spare, but functional, and even elegant in their own "all-business" way. Lounges, massage-chairs, and pool-side barefoot bars are nice, but they don't belong on war-ships.

4) I access GalNet with the power of my brain. Mmmmmm: Brrraaaaaiiins...

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#29 - 2013-05-12 05:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
I give the OP's post 1/10. Please try harder or, come up with something more original next time. Even primary school kids are taught that rust (a.k.a. oxidation) requires oxygen, of which there is none in the vacuum of space.

Down with this sort of thing.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Adreena Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
#30 - 2013-05-12 07:28:40 UTC
Luftwreck wrote:

[...]the fact is that Minmatar ship technology is quite obviously rooted in Amarrian ship technology.


Of course. Don't mind the fact that Amarr hulls are slow and sturdy while Minmatar ones are fast and fragile.
Don't mind the fact that lasers and projectile weapons are widely different, not only in their effects and functioning but in their fitting needs.
Don't mind... Oh, well.

As usual, Katran, don't mind the facts.

...................\o\ /o/...................

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#31 - 2013-05-12 07:36:48 UTC
You people seem to be in denial.

Samira Kernher wrote:

The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.


Don't tell me you people are so poor you can't even afford genuine rust.

Anabella Rella wrote:
I give the OP's post 1/10. Please try harder or, come up with something more original next time. Even primary school kids are taught that rust (a.k.a. oxidation) requires oxygen, of which there is none in the vacuum of space.

Down with this sort of thing.


It speaks to the ingenuity of minmatar workmanship that they can create rust even in a vacuum.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#32 - 2013-05-12 08:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:

The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.


Don't tell me you people are so poor you can't even afford genuine rust.


"You people."

For your information, miss Ji-Young, I exclusively fly Amarrian hulls in service to the Empire.

I simply have a basic understanding of how Matari ships work.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-05-12 09:04:30 UTC
I don't even know where to start other than by the obligatory statement that you're an idiot
One should always take one's enemy seriously

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#34 - 2013-05-12 09:07:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Fernite carbide is red.
Tungsten carbide is gold.
Crystalline carbonide is green.
Titanium carbide is grey.

Guess which nations use which materials.

While your ignorance of Minmatar metals is excusable, your suggestion that a member of PIE would fly a Minmatar ship is not. PIE flies Amarr hulls exclusively.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#35 - 2013-05-12 09:23:21 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Fernite carbide is red.
Tungsten carbide is gold.
Crystalline carbonide is green.
Titanium carbide is grey.

Guess which nations use which materials.

While your ignorance of Minmatar metals is excusable, your suggestion that a member of PIE would fly a Minmatar ship is not. PIE flies Amarr hulls exclusively.

Samira Kernher wrote:
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:

The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.


Don't tell me you people are so poor you can't even afford genuine rust.


"You people."

For your information, miss Ji-Young, I exclusively fly Amarrian hulls in service to the Empire.

I simply have a basic understanding of how Matari ships work.


Okay, I meant "THESE" people. I picked up that mistake later but I was too lazy to change it, because I figured you'd work that out and respond accordingly instead of raking me over the coals for it. I do actually know about PIE and the Amarr hull thing.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-05-12 10:12:52 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Elenor Torneau wrote:
4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet.


Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in.


Well, she's comparing their EWAR capabilities to the Amarr...


The Amarr electronic systems are still better to my knowledge.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#37 - 2013-05-12 11:12:19 UTC
Liberty Roach wrote:
It's different from ship to ship, but most have the seats made from out of old sofas. They is usually quite comfy in fact


A man can get quite attached to his sofa after having it a while.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-05-12 13:14:36 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I saw my first one today. So many questions.

1. How do those things fly, I mean, really?
2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what.
3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on?
4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?

I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.


1. It's not difficult to make ships spaceworthy, it's difficult to make ships spaceworthy and "cute"
2. The welds and joints on my Typhoon are as strong as anything built by Roden.
3. Seating and accomodations vary, from using simple rugs and pillows for a more homey flavor, to off-the-shelf kits you can order out of a magazine.
4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house
Ruby Amatucci
Tomorrowland Orphanage
#39 - 2013-05-12 14:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruby Amatucci
Cipher7 wrote:
4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house

I had to look up what a phone was. Wow. That's really ancient, isn't it? It's what people used to communicate with each other back when they were still traveling around on the backs of animals, before neural uplinks and FTL communications and bread were invented.

I had no idea anybody still used that. That's so neat! I'm jealous now. I want a phone, too.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#40 - 2013-05-12 14:35:46 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I saw my first one today. So many questions.

1. How do those things fly, I mean, really?
2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what.
3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on?
4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?

I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.

Please be aware that being ignorant or not showing proper respect for the capabilities of your enemies leads to you underestimating them. Underestimating your enemy leads to them kicking your ass in most cases, so I would advise you to closely study any and all ships you may encounter in combat, so as not to underestimate them.

As for the wingy bits on Minmatar ships, I always assumed they were heat radiators for thermal regulation. All ships come with reactors, so solar panels shouldn't be needed, and at the same time, due to how radiation decreases with distance, solar panels wouldn't be much use more than a few AU from a star which is bad for a ship supposed to operate in many different locations in many different systems.
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