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First time Stealth bomber
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Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-05-10 12:59:06 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
Research ship before training only to discover that it doesn't suit you.


You think you can waste time training something. That's so cute!!!!

-Liang


Tactical Shield Manipulation V? Big smile


You're joking aren't you?


Not at all. In some cases, having that at 5 is detrimental and I'm fairly sure Liang knows that :)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#22 - 2013-05-10 14:41:28 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
Research ship before training only to discover that it doesn't suit you.


You think you can waste time training something. That's so cute!!!!

-Liang


Tactical Shield Manipulation V? Big smile


You're joking aren't you?


Not at all. In some cases, having that at 5 is detrimental and I'm fairly sure Liang knows that :)


TSM 5 is a great skill if you active tank. I contend the traditional argument that it's detrimental is also incorrect because they've already broken your peak recharge before the shield bleed through starts to happen. I guess maybe it's detrimental if you passive shield tanking (recharge), are at 5% shields, and manage to kill off everything but a single Hobgoblin?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-10 15:29:52 UTC
It is detrimental because that little bit of bleed thru means your shields stay that little bit higher meaning you regain that little bit more. Sure it's not like night and day but the difference is still there. Makes no difference for active tanking in most cases since your ehp remains the same regardless of your Tsm level.

Art of Explosions
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#24 - 2013-05-10 16:50:03 UTC
I love how you dismiss the much stronger active tanking case for TSM5 in favor of a passive tanking case were you're already shown to be taking something on the order of 100x as much DPS as you can possibly take. The practical difference in an active tank case means that there is no armor bleedthrough - thus you don't lose your ship despite being able to tank it all. The practical difference in the passive tanking case is literally nil. It's a good skill and all the hate on it has always been misplaced.

This is a total derail of an otherwise productive thread. I'm done discussing your idiocy with you.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Colgate Breeze
United New Eden Delivery Services
#25 - 2013-05-12 00:57:54 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
Research ship before training only to discover that it doesn't suit you.


You think you can waste time training something. That's so cute!!!!

-Liang


Tactical Shield Manipulation V? Big smile


You're joking aren't you?

OP, you have no kills listed on the board? A stack of T1 frigates in lowsec will teach you just as much about PvP as SBs and be much cheaper. You will also find a lot more opportunities.

If this is your first PvP experience I can guarantee you will make many embarrassing mistakes. Do it cheaply so it doesn't hurt.



well that was a while ago and due to can flipping

anyway iv'e fitted my bomber all up with warp disrupters, ballistic missile stuff, shield things ect. the only thing im missing is a bomb launcher and a cloak which i have 5 days left to train
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#26 - 2013-05-12 01:57:20 UTC
First off I hope you have a good income to learn to fly bombers. Will cost you 50ish mil per bomber and you'll lose many while your learning Big smile Which isn't a bad thing! Don't be afraid to engage something just AttentionALWAYS stay aligned out! Bombers are probably the slipperiest ships in the game.

Puri for solo work i'd suggest:
3 arba torp
cloak
offlined probe launcher
MSE II
1mn AB
warp disrupt II
BCU x2
nanofiber

rigs:
overclocker
rigor


MSE + AB is your only defense against drones. Engage large targets from as much range as you can while keeping transversal. Go to null where rats shoot therm/kin/exp damage and watch ratters melt as you put torps thru their em hole Cool

You can use probes to scan out an area then come back a couple hours later to get the jump on someone. Low sp pilot may have to adjust fitting for pg/cpu needs. Don't let people tell you bombers are paper thin and aren't worth tanking. Yes its true they are not designed to brawl a BC the tank is there for drones! If the target ship is hitting you with his guns your doin it wrong

Blue-Fire Best Fire
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-12 02:31:19 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I love how you dismiss the much stronger active tanking case for TSM5 in favor of a passive tanking case were you're already shown to be taking something on the order of 100x as much DPS as you can possibly take. The practical difference in an active tank case means that there is no armor bleedthrough - thus you don't lose your ship despite being able to tank it all. The practical difference in the passive tanking case is literally nil. It's a good skill and all the hate on it has always been misplaced.

This is a total derail of an otherwise productive thread. I'm done discussing your idiocy with you.

-Liang


The only time you would lose your ship with TSM IV and active tanking is if you were constantly being taken from 6% shields to lower and repping it back up over 6% before you received damage again.

Which begs the question: if you can tank it back up every time, why were you so low in the first place?

So for active tanking: makes no difference, you either can rep the DPS or you can't. Bleedthrough has no effect.

Art of Explosions
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#28 - 2013-05-12 04:31:29 UTC
You seriously can't imagine a time when you're bouncing between 3 and 10% shields?

Do you even play Eve?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#29 - 2013-05-12 04:34:37 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:

MSE + AB is your only defense against drones. Engage large targets from as much range as you can while keeping transversal. Go to null where rats shoot therm/kin/exp damage and watch ratters melt as you put torps thru their em hole Cool

You can use probes to scan out an area then come back a couple hours later to get the jump on someone. Low sp pilot may have to adjust fitting for pg/cpu needs. Don't let people tell you bombers are paper thin and aren't worth tanking. Yes its true they are not designed to brawl a BC the tank is there for drones! If the target ship is hitting you with his guns your doin it wrong


The Purifier has excellent explosive resists and it's always been eminently reasonable to simply tank a flight of Warriors.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-05-12 09:21:40 UTC
Hmmm...I've never really thought of SBs as being ratting boats. Tempted to take mine out for a spin this morning.
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