Player Features and Ideas Discussion

InB4 someone says to "go biomass yourself".

*ducks*

Beyond all that, the game is designed so even if a character is 10 years old, they still have plenty to train, your change would mean a character would max out EVERYTHING in 5 years. thats not good for the game, since it would only fuel the "bigger is better" mentality in noobs because they wouldnt play long enough to realize its not true, and then everyone is trained for dreads and flying a capital becomes pre-requisite to joining a group outside highsec.

so no.

I have no problems with the ship times, they all seem reasonable. Its the weapons that seem a little too long. I agree that the game should keep having stuff to do, but is it worth it to wait a month just to try to compete?

Newbies can pvp from the first hour they are online. They can actually do well, if they stick to a dedicated specialization for about a month and a half.

CCP doesn't need to change training times in the slightest. Part of the joy of the game is the patience it requires. Sets itself at odds with the rest of popular gaming, and has been very successful that way.

What CCP does need to teach, is how diminishing returns and specialization can make a new player the equal of an old player in the right environs. That in THIS game, levels don't mean uber, and there isn't enough difference between that old player and that new player, a matter of 2 % usually, to count for 'bullpuckey'.

Point: It takes 28 days to get T2 guns, which you need for PvP!
My Counter: actually, it takes ~6 days.
Your counter: Noobs need better opportunities for PvP!

Did you run out of arguments already? Oh, and T2 fits aren't required for PvP. Fit up an Incursus with some guns, a single Hob, grab some friends, and go kill a few Thorax and Ruptures in low sec.

^^ Exactly this. I routinely see newbies around the FW warzone in ships fitted with T1 equipment. Granted, most of them die before I do... but that has more to do with the fact that they never focus their fire, fly around like headless chickens, and/or fit their ships in a "sub-optimal" configuration.



I remember the "old days" when I was a newbie... flying around in a Thrasher with T1 artillery guns and equipment... my peers in similar ships. We would often meet an enemy that vastly outmatched us... and we would often die... but we'd usually nuke something MUCH bigger and more expensive than all of us combined in the process.

Newbies CAN be effective if they use the right fits (which don't always have to be T2) with the right tactics. Just don't confuse "effective" with "high chances of survival." The latter comes with age and experience... not necessarily better equipment. Better equipment just gives you an edge and nothing more.

And you especially don't need max skills before you try something. Just be mindful of your strengths and weaknesses and try to respectively work with or around them.

Wish granted. It now takes less than 7 days to get your first T2 gun. So only a quarter of the time you are speaking off.

And BTW, 25% of 28 days is only 7 days not 3 days, sorry to be the first to tell you, but you should get some help with your math skills.

yo man, u can have a nice blaster merlin within 2-3 days of starting. Grab a couple of other nubs, run around lowsec, and gank some wannabie pirate in his stabber or rupture or whatever.

It says ATLEAST 75% smart one. Make sure to read before you question.

T2 weaponry is not a requirement, it's a path of specialization - it should take time to train them and taking this time should be rewarding. A character can become a jack of all weapon systems in a very short time, gaining access to a wide variety of turret systems/missiles or spend this whole time skilling into Autocannons - earning Barrage ammunition that gives them amazing range control.

That said, T2 isn't always a requirement. Sure, there are plenty of fits that depend on T2 weapons (Minmatar frigates hugely benefit from Barrage bonuses since it fits well with their speed. See mr. former king of frig-on-frig action, Rifter.) but most work well with simply faction ammunition. A good example would be missile systems where faction lies damage and range wise between Javelin and Rage - Javelin sacrificing damage for range and Rage sacrificing range/explosion radius for more punch.

As for the argument about hull training time vs. weapon - it makes no sense. Weapon training isn't a one-time thing that applies only to a single boat. Training T2 Heavy Assault Missiles will enhance your effectiveness with multiple ships - such as the Cyclone, Caracal, Sacrilege, Legion (HAM variant), Tengu (HAM variant), Bellicose, Drake (in the future possibly Navy Drake), Cerberus, Navycal - list goes on.

TL;DR; Bad idea. Specialization is good, generalization is bad, people who take time to train one thing over the other should be rewarded.