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"King of Low Sec" - Fly your flag over CCP HQ by blowing stuff up!

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Lee Dalton
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#401 - 2013-05-11 12:13:49 UTC
Elendar wrote:
Skarp Severasse wrote:

"King of Lowsec" is meaningless and I think CCP would benefit from staging competitions and titles that actually had some value the community at large.


I fully support this idea, perhaps some form of tournament between alliances?


They could call it the "Alliance Tournament".
Nikolai Katushkin
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#402 - 2013-05-11 12:21:26 UTC
JEFFRAIDER wrote:
Hello friends!

My name is JEFFRAIDER and I am the official Pandemic Legion Head Diplomat. After a meeting with our leadership team I have been directed to make two public statements in regards to this. For reference, present at the leadership meeting were myself, Elendar (Flag FC), Elise Randolph (Head FC), Shadoo (Backup FC), Kearl (Alliance Executor), Phalanx III (Head of Logistics), Grath Telkin (Supercapital FC), Alidean (Sniggerdly Vice-CEO) and BlueMajere (North Eastern SWAT Vice-CEO).

First Public Statement to CCP:

Dear CCP,

We would first like to thank you for this fun event and wonderful prize! While we are gratified to have won, we certainly understand the controversy in your decision. I am sure had your fleet been in the system with the event rather than specifically attacking URINE Alliance, you would have felt more comfortable in allowing the CCP kills to count. Since you didn't really give other entities the same chance to engage your fleet, we understand your decision. Once again, thank you!

Second Public Statement to URINE Alliance:

Dear URINE Alliance,

We won.

After hours of combat versus EVE players we managed to do three times the damage to all of low-sec as your alliance. We won, and those of you who aren't us lost. Big time.

For those of you keeping score, it's Pandemic Legion: 1, URINE Alliance: 0.

Over 1000 enemies melted under the purifying lasers of Elendar's FLAG-WINNING Fleet, so once again, in case you were wondering who won and who lost this year, we are the clear-cut victors. You are the losers. In fact, I would go so far to say that we absolutely f*cking wolloped you.

Now I'll admit, winning was very fun. It was fun for two reasons. 1) We got exactly what we wanted - every single little bit. And 2) winning means that we got to watch other people lose, people we admittedly have no respect for and really enjoy watching get upset.

To the victors go the spoils, I suppose.

Not only that, the process of winning was fun. It was also pretty easy. Surprisingly so! All we had to do was murder One Thousand (1000) enemy ships over a 3 hour firefight outnumbered 1700:100. Us owning has been working for years, so we did it again, and it paid off, and we won.

God, it feels good to win. It just feels really, really good.

Take a look at this face. This is the face of a winner. If that makes you angry, look in the mirror because that's the face of a loser. A huge, unequivocal loser.

I bet you're not ready to give up yet. I bet you think you can be King of Low-Sec next year. You can't. I certainly welcome you to try - because I enjoy winning- but trust me, nothing you do is going to change anything. What’s going to happen is I’m going to keep on winning, and you’re going to keep on losing. That’s just how it’s going to be from here on out. Because that’s how it’s always been.

I won. You lost. Bye.

JEFFRAIDER
Pandemic Legion
Pepper Gets in the Iron Man Suit to Save Tony But Dies Trying Coalition



(messiah is killeon as well BTW)


So wait... Who won again?
Miks Rebelius
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#403 - 2013-05-11 12:24:16 UTC
Damn you all WoW retards with your achievements. CCP give us arenas now !!!!!
Skarp Severasse
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#404 - 2013-05-11 12:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Skarp Severasse
Alli Othman wrote:
Skarp Severasse wrote:
I think the way PL won "King of Lowsec" is questionable. At the very least the competition was flawed from the start. The title "King of Lowsec" implies that the winner is a ruling entity or at least in some way majestic in these particular regions of space. And this year's winner most assuredly is none of those.

To put the competition on the same day as the Nyx vs frigates event further devalues the title. And just when I thought the title couldn't be defiled any more, CCP goes ahead and creates massive controversy by changing the competition rules after the fact - or at the very least they neglected to include vital information in the rules before competition started.

And to top it off, the way Pandemic Legion conduct themselves in this thread is just atrocious. The pubescent shitpost from PL's "diplomat" (I don't think that word means what you think it means) just pushed everything over the top.

"King of Lowsec" is meaningless and I think CCP would benefit from staging competitions and titles that actually had some value the community at large.

Hi hello friend. I have most generously done you the service of rewording your post into a much more efficient use of words. I do so hope that you will appreciate the effort as it took considerable parsing out of your extremely superfluous and horribly inefficient excesses. It now reads as follows:

Skarp Severasse wrote:
I did not win, and PL did win. This angers me. CCP are dirty cheaters.


I think you will agree that this accurately sums up all of the sentiments found in your post, without the disastrous attempts at coating it with anything resembling logical debate.

Thank you for your time.



I am afraid you are mistaken and I fear that you are entirely neglecting my post's content. I also do not appreciate the sarcasm and the total lack of contribution to the discussion. I absolutely did not have any investment in the "King of Lowsec" competition. In fact, I did not even know about it till it was over. I am merely commenting on what I perceive as grave inadequacies of the mechanics of the competition. I also commented on what, in my mind, is horrible forum behaviour from some of Pandemic Legion's members. The latter is slightly off topic but it still manages to tie in to how the community sees the competition as a whole.

What your dripping response does, however, is very accurately illustrate the challenges other players have in voicing their concerns in this thread. Others have made valid points - including me - but somehow you manage only to take from it that we are sore losers. In my case I did not even partake in the competition and I have little knowledge of either Pandemic Legion or Urine Something-Something. You are very much distiling the subejct of my critisism in your post, but I would hope that you merely misinterpreted what I said.
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#405 - 2013-05-11 12:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Alli Othman
Skarp Severasse wrote:


I am afraid you are mistaken and I fear that you are entirely neglecting my post's content. I also do not appreciate the sarcasm and the total lack of contribution to the discussion. I absolutely did not have any investment in the "King of Lowsec" competition. In fact, I did not even know about it till it was over.


I'm afraid that you may have become lost in the wordiness of even your own reply and have, as such, entirely missed the meaning of it. My summary is quite accurate- if you would like to dispute that I'm afraid you will need to say something of more substance than just "NUH-UH."

We too had no idea of this little competition- See you share more in common with PL than you know!

Quote:
I am merely commenting on what I perceive as grave inadequacies of the mechanics of the competition.

So CCP should include their own kills which are a wild anomaly in the rest of the kills during said time. And doing so would eliminate any perceived bias- particularly as they ran headlong into the exact same group twice?

Yes. That would surely eliminate perceived bias- you and the Pee Guys are quite right!

Quote:
I also commented on what, in my mind, is horrible forum behaviour from some of Pandemic Legion's members. The latter is slightly off topic but it still manages to tie in to how the community sees the competition as a whole.


I for one am shocked and appalled that the winners of said event would post at all in any celebratory manner! I'm also amazed that anyone would dare point and laugh at the Pee Guys for having spent 3-4 days smugging their faces off with their childish posting and then having not actually won.

Quote:
What your dripping response does, however, is very accurately illustrate the challenges other players have in voicing their concerns in this thread.

Is this another pee joke? This thread is quite full up enough with such juvenile jokes.

Quote:
Others have made valid points - including me - but somehow you manage only to take from it that we are sore losers. In my case I did not even partake in the competition and I have little knowledge of either Pandemic Legion or Urine Something-Something. You are very much distiling the subejct of my critisism in your post, but I would hope that you merely misinterpreted what I said.

So the valid point is again that the people that spent 4 days smugging and posting like little babies should be rewarded for having CCP smash into them with reckless abandon losing amounts that are anomalous compared to all the rest of the losses on that day- and that doing so would eliminate all perception of bias? I can see how that may be a difficult concept to grasp, as you seemingly cannot even understand your own post let alone the implications of including dev-hax'd items.
Skarp Severasse
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#406 - 2013-05-11 13:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Skarp Severasse
Alli Othman wrote:
... snip ...


There is just so much animosity and misdirected anger in your post, so I am just going to let this lie. I do not think the type of discussion you engage in is particularly constructive and wish you the best in game. Fly safe.
wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#407 - 2013-05-11 13:31:22 UTC
Alli Othman wrote:
So CCP should include their own kills which are a wild anomaly in the rest of the kills during said time. And doing so would eliminate any perceived bias- particularly as they ran headlong into the exact same group twice?

Yes. That would surely eliminate perceived bias- you and the Pee Guys are quite right!


It's not a question of what anyone thinks the rules should be, it's a question about what the rules were.
Velonad Tyldamere
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#408 - 2013-05-11 13:32:53 UTC
Skarp Severasse wrote:
Alli Othman wrote:
... snip ...


There is just so much animosity and misdirected anger in your post, so I am just going to let this lie. I do not think the type of discussion you engage in is particularly constructive and wish you the best in game. Fly safe.


Nice umad response fool.
White Tree
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#409 - 2013-05-11 13:34:32 UTC
Wow lonks like the scrubb box got dumpped on by the Pandemic Legion and ur all madposting like f*ck lol w/e yolo its 23 easy 2 own u join pizza

Former member of CSM6.
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#410 - 2013-05-11 13:34:35 UTC
Skarp Severasse wrote:
Alli Othman wrote:
... snip ...


There is just so much animosity and misdirected anger in your post, so I am just going to let this lie. I do not think the type of discussion you engage in is particularly constructive and wish you the best in game. Fly safe.

While your degree in Psychology from the University of Phoenix may qualify you for some things, it's clearly not the detection of tone and emotion in text. But I do agree that since you lack any point in this conversation its quite past time to bow out- and if in doing so you need label me as being in some primal state then I will gladly bear said burden as I am not the poster you may want, but I am the poster this thread needs.
Donedy
Lulzsec Space
#411 - 2013-05-11 13:46:56 UTC
UHUHUuhuuhhhhUUUhuUUhhhUUUUHhhhhhUUHuHUHUHUHhhuhhh.
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#412 - 2013-05-11 14:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Azran Zala
Alli Othman wrote:


So CCP should include their own kills which are a wild anomaly in the rest of the kills during said time. And doing so would eliminate any perceived bias- particularly as they ran headlong into the exact same group twice?



You are actually distorting the facts right there.

The first time, CCP jumped into a threeway & attacked us while we where engaged with another group.
The second time, we took the fight to them, baited them with alts and hotdropped them.

Neither cases did they purposely "Leeroy" into us.
We simply bagged the most kills on them because:
Our last-word-doctrine the "BBC" * is better than their dev hack overpowered stuff.
& we're better than everyone else who tried to do the same.

As for anomaly, not really, every major group in lowsec flies with 3billion isk worth of implants in their heads,
usually slaves. We kill scores of people with such on a daily bases.

*Big Black ****
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#413 - 2013-05-11 14:45:57 UTC
Azran Zala wrote:

As for anomaly, not really, every major group in lowsec flies with 3billion isk worth of implants in their heads,
usually slaves. We kill scores of people with such on a daily bases.


Then why didn't you go after those "major groups"? Do they actually warp their pods out because they took actual resources rather than just being devhaxd in?
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#414 - 2013-05-11 15:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Azran Zala
Alli Othman wrote:
Azran Zala wrote:

As for anomaly, not really, every major group in lowsec flies with 3billion isk worth of implants in their heads,
usually slaves. We kill scores of people with such on a daily bases.


Then why didn't you go after those "major groups"? Do they actually warp their pods out because they took actual resources rather than just being devhaxd in?


Hmm good question, I suppose the other 10billion+ of kills we got that day, were all t1-no-guns-faction-warfare-farming-frigates.

Our tackle t3's are set up for instalocking pods.. "pirates" remember...
if the opertunity arises, we attempt to ransom the leftovers, but most victums give us the finger or reject the convo regardless, and pods caught halfway during a battle are usually just killed immidiately to free tackle for other ships.
Bobbechk
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#415 - 2013-05-11 15:33:18 UTC
Skarp Severasse wrote:
I think the way PL won "King of Lowsec" is questionable. At the very least the competition was flawed from the start. The title "King of Lowsec" implies that the winner is a ruling entity or at least in some way majestic in these particular regions of space. And this year's winner most assuredly is none of those.

To put the competition on the same day as the Nyx vs frigates event further devalues the title. And just when I thought the title couldn't be defiled any more, CCP goes ahead and creates massive controversy by changing the competition rules after the fact - or at the very least they neglected to include vital information in the rules before competition started.

And to top it off, the way Pandemic Legion conduct themselves in this thread is just atrocious. The pubescent shitpost from PL's "diplomat" (I don't think that word means what you think it means) just pushed everything over the top.

"King of Lowsec" is meaningless and I think CCP would benefit from staging competitions and titles that actually had some value the community at large.


Just because we don't deal with petty things like who has the right to camp a gate does not mean we're not in control.
If any lowsec entity would actually field a capital fleet (or a large enough subcap fleet for us to actually bother come visit) they would soon learn who is in control.

I'm 100% sure that if CCP would tally up all the numbers to determine what alliance has destroyed the most value the last 5 years in "lowsec" Pandemic Legion would turn up on top, the sheer amount of lowsec supercapital kills would ensure that.

But if you guys really want a title, I'm sure Shadoo can grant you the title of "Dukes of Black Rise" or "Count of Heimatar"
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#416 - 2013-05-11 15:44:13 UTC
Azran Zala wrote:
Hmm good question, I suppose the other 10billion+ of kills we got that day, were all t1-no-guns-faction-warfare-farming-frigates.

You rather prove my point exactly. 10 bil from your normal activities. But you want these "totally not anomalous" kills on CCP's devhaxd items included. If they weren't at all anomalous then why don't you have more in kills than even our dear Waffles from your normal activities on that day?

Quote:

Our tackle t3's are set up for instalocking pods.. "pirates" remember...

Yeah, except I've actually some experience with lowsec, friend. If they're prealigned and spamming before/while they pop they overwhelmingly get out. It's something every "major group" does and has done for a considerable time.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#417 - 2013-05-11 15:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Grarr Dexx
Quote:
regardless of the circumstances surrounding them


REGARDLESS: Without paying attention to the present situation; despite the prevailing circumstances.
CIRCUMSTANCE: A fact or condition connected with or relevant to an event or action.

Them being in CCP is a circumstance.
The items being spawned is a circumstance.

Quote:
The ISK value will be equivalent to that on the kill report.


http://i.imgur.com/Dzc6mvJ.png

That's a kill report. There's eighteen of these. We would have been top of the board with just ten.

How can you still argue it?
Skarp Severasse
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#418 - 2013-05-11 16:00:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Skarp Severasse
Bobbechk wrote:
I'm 100% sure that if CCP would tally up all the numbers to determine what alliance has destroyed the most value the last 5 years in "lowsec" Pandemic Legion would turn up on top, the sheer amount of lowsec supercapital kills would ensure that.


I am not as sure as you are in that statement; our faction alone, in which there are some decent alliances, destroys in excess of 2,000 ships every week. I am not taking anything away from your achievements, because they are truly impressive. And I actually like that you have partaken in lowsec activities to that extent. Somehow, the "King of Low Sec" title sits better with an entity that has an actual influence over this area of space rather than "achievement collectors" solely here to claim a title. So, kudos to you.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#419 - 2013-05-11 16:00:54 UTC
Grarr 'jilted lover" Dexx checking in yet again.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Sarah Wolfhunter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#420 - 2013-05-11 16:01:30 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
First of all, congratulations to Pandemic Legion for winning. Interesting to see how this whole Butterfly Effect works, my event playing a role in PL winning this. I honestly didn't know this competition was going on till it was pointed out to me.

Funny thing about how winners react to things. Some handle it with modestly and are grateful and respectful to their peers. However this is EVE of course, so expecting such things is rather 'wishful thinking', I get it.

But, I will have to share a tiny little dirty secret that many players in this game and most likely most of you reading this don't know. I didn't pay much attention to it until I saw this overly self patting on the back post here:

Elendar wrote:
Kill a thousand pubbies
Cause glorious rage by repping a nyx
Get flag over CCP

All in a days work :smug:


First of all, there was no glorious rage by repping the Nyx. More like some sighs of disappointment. PL didn't surprise anyone. Every single person who participated in the event, both in system and those trying to get there and encountered road blocks knew some null blocks would at some point show up to do something in an attempt to be a party crasher. To troll if you will. The equivalent of going to a race and knowing at some point, they will cross the finish line. The only real question was, when?

Matter in fact, the only 'glorious rage' during that event was null members, specifically PL, in my events channel and some in local when I started talking about self destructing my Nyx. Oh and the wonderful mails I received from a few of their members. I will not repeat word for word here, but the common theme was, I was a coward for initiating self-destruct. Meanwhile in the channel there was several colorful words expressed at me in all caps from some PL members. Again, the theme being I was a coward and very 'anti-fun' to put it mildly.

Funny thing about the word coward. I guess the definition changed on me when I was not looking? Which brings me to the dirty little secret that most people don't know about. You see the big and mighty null alliances that did show up, had an agreement not to shoot each other till all the frigates had been killed and the field cleared. Temporary blues.

I didn't know about this till I started mailing and convo'ing some of the null members when I noticed the CCP feed and saw not just the PL fleet on the field, but also Razor had a fleet there as well a couple other null alliance fleets. Why on earth would null alliances who normally fight each other become blue even just for a little while?

They were scared.

That is the only logical reason. Remember the system hit the population cap and there was indeed a ton of players not affiliated with null alliances. Those same null alliances have been talking about how the players who participated were unorganized. Bullshit. That is a flat out lie. They formed fleets and brought in bonuses setting them up in correct fleet positions. Perhaps they lacked the logistical backbone or even the experience compared to null alliances, but there were no random rabble of players with wide eyed with no idea what to do. My event channel was full of players discussing tactics , assembling multiple fleets and sharing intel on 'party crashers' for others in route to avoid.

So once it was apparent PL intended on keeping the Nyx alive to farm none null alliances, gates were not letting anyone else in, I pulled the plug. Granted it took twenty minutes for the self-destruct timer to finally tick all the way down, but there you have it. The “King of Low Sec” brought to his knees bluing their enemies for survivability against all those dangerous 'pubbies'.

I'm no saint, I know that. But to lie and pretend I stood alone against everyone else and brag on the forums all the while being smug about it? Jesus guys, have some dignity. I'm glad you showed up and participated in the event, I really am, but tone it down a bit yeah? And yes, I know that once the Nyx was gone and any frigates alive bailed, you had a small pillow fight with the other null alliances for about 60 seconds - and then you all proceeded to warp off/dock up and not fight.

No one is impressed. Straight



Marlona Sky's light of truth perfectly strikes your army of smugposting, wrecking for what little respect your bloated bandwagon of an alliance has left.