Jita Park Speakers Corner

You can say it all you like, it doesn't make it any less nonsense. They wouldn't be playing the game at all without null: the highsec characters are merely a way to get around game flaws regarding null.

I think i am not making myself clear...

The CSM is a business resource intended to keep the customers happy. If it fails to represent the customers, it fails to keep them happy and so fails to fulfill its intended role.

If it turns that most customers don't have anyone to speak for them at the CSM and help CCP how to keep them happy, how is that the customer's fault?

"Hey, if you want to keep giving us your money, you should step forward and convince us to do what it takes so you keep giving us your money" must be one of the weirdest business cases in history.

Most companies kind of ask their customers to speak with them rather than quit... But then with CCP, being listened to is a privilege to be earned. And you call me surreal?

You can speak to CCP for free on the forums. They do listen if you present your case well, effectively and persistently, as I have found out for myself several times. (Bounty reform, insurance reform, 0.0 outpost rework, to name but 3 causes that have been effectively championed)

If you want them to pay particular attention and credit you with being allowed to read NDA stuff, then it's not so much CCP you have to persuade as your fellow customers.

Assuming of course they could even find a candidate in this year's group. Pickings were pretty slim if you weren't in a null bloc.

Unpaid consultants with a minor PR poost for the CSM existing. The former is the most important of the bunch, though, the latter is just a nice side benefit.

p much this.



\o/ I won an unpaid second job!

Whatever Eve-related stuff CCP decides they want to talk about.



No, they hate it. They just continue to waste dev time and company money running it because _______________.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm8-elections-close-tomorrow-hear-from-ccp-about-the-impact-of-the-csm/




Whichever players decide to bother. The bar for entry has always been really low, even moreso with STV. You just actually have to be willing to speak to people, as opposed to pitching a fit and demanding your share as if you're entitled to it by default.



They're consultants, not bosses. CCP's dime, CCP's final word at the end of the day. If they were going to disregard "the majority of subscribers" as you put it, they would be doing it with or without the CSM.

(I realise that this would involve committing to some actual effort and responsibility above forum whining)

You're late to the debate so maybe don't know where I stand.

To summarize, I blame CCP for not having alternatives to the CSM.

My claim is that it is CCP's best interest to know as much as possible of what their customers do, like and think. Asking them to get elected at the CSM or forward a candidate in order to be able to share that inteligence it's stupid unless CCP gathered such inteligence in other ways. And those "other ways" are non-existent.

Further, if CCP was engaging players in other ways, the representativeness of the CSM would not matter much, as players who didn't got a voice in the CSM, would get it through other means.

Heh. I don't want to be in the CSM. Even if I wanted, i am not a good CSM candidate for a range of reasons, most of them related to my mental disorder. And on top of that, i am a extremely unrepresentative player.

Yet my experience with talking to people in this game, is of meeting people who a have no voice in the CSM. People who quit rather than try and make themselves listened. Over and over again, they come and go.

Most of them leave jaded. Some leave angry. Some leave because RL > EVE. They are losers who failed to "win" the game and become the kind of guy who ends up at the CSM out of commitment, effort, and enjoying what he does ingame.

So they won't talk, rather walk. I should be like them and should had walked away with Incarna. I didn't and here i am, still trying to protect my investment with EVE, most of it emotional investment, made of hope and disappointment and resignation and more hope and more disappointment and more resignation and then more hope, unitl I hate it as much as i hope I still could love it.

And my chances so EVE eventually obliges sum up to having that people who walk rather than talk, be actively asked and listened to. Be polled systematically and professionally, rewarded for their opinion, so we all (CCP first) get to know why so many EVE players are losers and leave even if they managed to succeed for one, two or three years.

Right now, I know one of those players who's reaching the breaking point. He's a far better player than me, far more valuable. And none of you CSM is like him, because if you were, you would had quit in your third year as he's bound to do in the next months.

None of this would be an issue if EVE had a lot of wannabe players, making endless rows for the privilege to sign in. But that's not the case.

By rewarding only the players who fit in the scarce long term niches, CCP is denying itself the money of those who don't fit enough.

i'm not talking about people who think this is a theme park and quit after a week or a month. i am talking about people who have set goals and enjoyed the sandbox bona fide for one, two or three years, until the only way left was... none. Get out. They failed to fit into the appropiate niches, right from the start.

It's not about listening to me, but the people i am pointing. Maybe if CCP asked them and listened to them, they would do things i would like... not THE things I would like, but just stuff I could like for EVE being EVE even while staying faithful to all that grim universe crap.