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30 days dual character training - now on Singularity

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Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2013-05-11 02:12:52 UTC
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
Avacore Estemaire wrote:
This thread is being a bit weird.

Normally there are some people explain why it's good and some argue why it's bad.

Currently, half is arguing why it's convenient and good and the other half is explaining why THEY will never use it. Not why it's bad, they just spend time explaining why they don't care. This is a quick, convenient and apparently almost finished being implemented. if some people find it convinient (like me) because they can save money/ISK on character transfers (because that's the alternative) then let them. This doesn't introduce something game breaking. It just makes it more sensible and convenient. If this was available a few months ago, BOY would I've been a happy camper Big smile


I can't speak for everyone else, but I was just disappointed that it wasn't a permanent upgrade. EVE is the only MMO I know where it costs extra to have an alt in the first place.



Like literally every other non-F2P MMO ever? Because the standard model in most MMOs is the same as eve. Log in to one of your many characters on this one account. Play character. Want two characters playing at once? Pay for two accounts.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#262 - 2013-05-11 02:30:04 UTC
An awesome change!

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#263 - 2013-05-11 02:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I could definitely see using this for, say, a market alt.

It's useful for any character that will only have to train for a short period of time and that doesn't have to be online at the same time as another character on the same account.

For example on my main account I could use this to train a cyno alt and to make use of the rest of the dual training period train skills for PI and hauling on this alt, for example. I won't ever need this cyno alt for James because he doesn't fly capitals, but my capital alt on a separate account could easily make use of it.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#264 - 2013-05-11 02:52:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
For example on my main account I could use this to train a cyno alt and to make use of the rest of the dual training period train skills for PI and hauling on this alt, for example. I won't ever need this cyno alt for James because he doesn't fly capitals, but my capital alt on a separate account could easily make use of it.

Slap a cloak on it, like a covops cloak, and go camp some people and then even hotdrop them !

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The Baby-sitter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2013-05-11 02:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: The Baby-sitter
Bad idea - Paying for a full account sub, but can't get the 2nd char in as an Awoxer, spy or Cyno for the main account. Might as well get another account then...

Seems a bit greedy...CCP Y not just give access to it anyway. ???

M'Fraid not a good idea... Seems
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#266 - 2013-05-11 03:21:34 UTC
The Baby-sitter wrote:
Bad idea - Paying for a full account sub, but can't get the 2nd char in as an Awoxer, spy or Cyno for the main account. Might as well get another account then...

Seems a bit greedy...CCP Y not just give access to it anyway. ???

M'Fraid not a good idea... Seems


Ok lets try this again, in ENGLISH this time.
Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#267 - 2013-05-11 03:24:32 UTC
this may have already been mentioned but can you do 15 days on one toon and the other 15 days on a different toon?
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#268 - 2013-05-11 03:47:36 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
Hey all,

RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.

To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.

If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.

Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.


The only way I will use it is if dual / triple boxing on the same account is allowed in some form.

EX an account may triplebox, but only one character may be undocked at a time.
Professor Greed
Doomheim
#269 - 2013-05-11 04:02:16 UTC
It HAS to be for more than 30 days to make it worth it, at least 40, being 45 days optimal.

Or they should let you train a 1/2 the standard rate for a cheaper price, and let you apply this to EVERY character slot to become
really interesting.

I mean, this is EVE ffs, make it more flexible, complex and interesting.

How about:

1 PLEX x 45 days of 1/2 Skill Q && 60 days of 1/3 Skill Q

1 PLEX x 15 days of 1:1 Skill Q && 30 days of 1/2 Skill Q

And so on.
Haulie Berry
#270 - 2013-05-11 04:07:30 UTC
Professor Greed wrote:
It HAS to be for more than 30 days to make it worth it,


No, it does not.
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#271 - 2013-05-11 04:12:49 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Professor Greed wrote:
It HAS to be for more than 30 days to make it worth it,


No, it does not.


Yes it does. The only upside is that you can still play the character when the PLEX dries up (unlike a clean account).
Haulie Berry
#272 - 2013-05-11 04:18:27 UTC
Drachiel wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Professor Greed wrote:
It HAS to be for more than 30 days to make it worth it,


No, it does not.


Yes it does. The only upside is that you can still play the character when the PLEX dries up (unlike a clean account).


That's a really huge upside for a lot of different reasons that have been pretty thoroughly laid out in this thread.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#273 - 2013-05-11 04:24:09 UTC
The Baby-sitter wrote:
Bad idea - Paying for a full account sub, but can't get the 2nd char in as an Awoxer, spy or Cyno for the main account. Might as well get another account then...

Seems a bit greedy...CCP Y not just give access to it anyway. ???

M'Fraid not a good idea... Seems


You sound like a damn space commie/hippie wanting everything free
Want a free game go become a DustBunny

Shut up & take meh money dammit!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Innabiggahurry
Doomheim
#274 - 2013-05-11 04:29:41 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
There are tons of scenarios where this is VASTLY preferable to an alt account.

For instance, I have one character with perfect invention skills, and two alts on the same account with basic S&I skills (and one flies an Orca).

So you have more than one account.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#275 - 2013-05-11 04:34:18 UTC
Its not for everyone, but could help a lot of people. Would have been great when PI came out. Really nice for making a scanning alt. Everyone has a Jita alt, why not do some market PvP while you're at it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#276 - 2013-05-11 04:36:41 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
The Baby-sitter wrote:
Bad idea - Paying for a full account sub, but can't get the 2nd char in as an Awoxer, spy or Cyno for the main account. Might as well get another account then...

Seems a bit greedy...CCP Y not just give access to it anyway. ???

M'Fraid not a good idea... Seems


You sound like a damn space commie/hippie wanting everything free
Want a free game go become a DustBunny

Shut up & take meh money dammit!

\

Portraits that ugly don't get to talk.

That said I'd like to see it made so that normally training two characters reduces training speed to 1/x, so training all three trains the three characters at a rate of 1/3. Popping a PLEX "buffs" the account to train them all at full speed.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#277 - 2013-05-11 04:46:29 UTC
Quote:

I can't speak for everyone else, but I was just disappointed that it wasn't a permanent upgrade. EVE is the only MMO I know where it costs extra to have an alt in the first place.


WTF are you talking about? You can have 2 alts for free on Eve. You cant advance them at the same time.

You cant advance 2 characters on the same account simultaneously on any MMO I have ever heard of.

Its just that on other MMO's its way easier.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Haulie Berry
#278 - 2013-05-11 04:51:15 UTC
Innabiggahurry wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
There are tons of scenarios where this is VASTLY preferable to an alt account.

For instance, I have one character with perfect invention skills, and two alts on the same account with basic S&I skills (and one flies an Orca).

So you have more than one account.



You say this as if it is somehow relevant.
Bloody Wench
#279 - 2013-05-11 05:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
Great change, please implement ASAP.

This thread reminds me of a movie quote, click me

I have a # of accounts, on all of them there is a combat main, a hulk/ice/PI/cyno alt, and the 3rd slot is either unused or has the occasional random thing.

When the venture came out, the mains got paused while the alts picked up mining frigate (which I haven't had anyone even sit in one since then)

If I could have just PLEX'd for the extra slot, I would have, and used the extra 3 weeks training to beef up support skills on the alts.

If I want to make changes to this character I have to pause the main to do it. Which isn't a big deal because this character has only high level trade and like lvl 2 in everything else except Interceptors. I could probably be tempted to throw a couple PLEX at this character and unfuck it a little bit, but not at the expense of the combat main.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#280 - 2013-05-11 05:16:37 UTC
Drachiel wrote:
That said I'd like to see it made so that normally training two characters reduces training speed to 1/x, so training all three trains the three characters at a rate of 1/3.

You can do this already... train for X number of days on character 1, pause training on character 1, train for X number of days on character 2, pause training on character 2, etc.

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