EVE General Discussion

Well you've resorted to personal insults, so how could you be wrong?

But of course you cannot seperate the two. You do not suddenly turn into another person that has no affect on your real person when you log on. Like I said, I would never ever kill a miner or missioner UNLESS they are in enemy corporation I'm in war with and thus it's part of agreed combat. And how can you say there are no real consenquenses, each player devotes his time, which is the single most valuable asset any human has to this game, and you can bet the missioneer who lost his brand new cnr because you felt the kill mail would look nice does not feel good.

Reasons why you do stuff are the same, if same rules apply to real life you would do the same, killing innocent for no personal gain just to have fun ..

Mags, I assume you are a troll, but much like the ducks that sit on my deck I enjoy feeding the wildlife once in a while.

Not every game is the same. A lot of games have clear goals, winning and losing are clearly defined.

Many online computer games that put one player against another are designed in a way that you are intended to be in conflict with another and the cost of losing is small and there is no persistence. You play the game and it goes where it goes. When you log in tomorrow you are mostly where you were before regardless of wins or losses in previous sessions.

Eve is different. Eve allows someone to spend a lot of the only RL currency (time) that matters to build stuff. Eve also allows asshats (tm) to 'splode that same stuff with no consequence. It allows asshats (tm) to play Eve just to mess with folk, to somehow enjoy being an asshat (tm) for the fun of the tears.

Eve is as near as I can figure is the only game where asshats(tm) can actually with no consequence in game destroy the result of someone's substantial RL time persisted work product and hide in a community that seems to thinks its moral,

It's not, it is folks getting pleasure from no other benefit that causing someone else's pain. That you aren't sophisticated in your understanding of the human condition to understand that negating the result of someones efforts that cost them something they can't ever replace (their time) isn't "the way Eve works", it's your failing as a human.

Morality is a personal trait. But there definitely exists a generally accepted definition of "do on to others...". You can pretend that you are playing a game so it doesn't matter but because Eve persists the result of actual RL folks time when you ignore that rule because "messin with folk" is fun for you then you are and asshat rat bastard in game and RL.

Issler

i would /shrug

No, I think people should not advertise such things in a game that is know to mercilessly exploit any weakness. When people advertise such things, they are saying 'Please be nice to me, I'm fragile' which is not something you want to say in Eve. We are not nice people.

Also, if someone did such a thing to me, I would not go crying, I would set about destroying them. Thats kinda the point of the lack of morality in eve. If someone wrongs you, hit them back.

I have seen people, professional people in position of real power, use the death of a rivals loved one to tear them down within the company. Was it nice? No. Was it moral? Questionable, most businessmen will tell you there is no morality in business. Was it legal? Yes, it was.

Don't think because something isn't 'nice' that its wrong.

To elaborate, i would very hapily go on a killing spree, and on a daily basis when stressed i day dream about doing so, the only thing stopping me is the fear of being caught and incarcerated. If there was no law to get in the way i would very likely do so. Who knows maybe one day i will snap and do it anyway. Wonder what Freud would say about that.

Dont know what he would say. But i definitely endorse such behavior, altho your engagement at such would be suicidal at best.

I would do such if i got superior firepower and i would not attack people i dont know. Only those i claim guilty. But again i alone am guilty because its my deception that other people are what they are. We are unable to comprehend others as well as ourselfs, even best psychoanalyst cant, they all follow the "book" they learned from. They see as some acts are "wrong" because they grew up in society where it is indeed claimed as such.
Yet i say let anyone do whatever he wants. He wants **** and pillage cool he doesn't need to be "changed" he needs to die "at least in the eye of society".

Ultimately : whats better ??

Live whole life pretending you are good guy .. or live few days as an horror of every living creature / if you enjoy it.

Exactly.

There is no such thing as morality because it is all relative to your own beliefs, one mans opinion is another mans argument..

What you believe to be imoral, would be to a "greifer" (who's the greifer? the one killing someone or the one telling him not to?) acceptable social behaviour.

Socrates understood this thousands of years ago.