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AFK cloaky ccp sort it out yes/ no

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-05-10 18:20:32 UTC
LifeHatesMe wrote:
so I take it all the no's in this thread are semi afk cloaky's..


They are PvPers, that have no clue what being an industrialist is all about.


They applaud the game mechanics that have chased the vast majority of industrialists to high sec, while also lamenting that so many of the industrialists are in high sec.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#62 - 2013-05-10 18:20:43 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
The only people effected by AFK Cloakers are bots.


Pure ignorance.

People that don't want their ship to go boom when the cloaky camper lights a cyno, are the people effected by cloakers!


Hmm..I see you left out the AFK part.

Your arguement is invalid.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Akali Kuvakei
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-05-10 18:22:28 UTC
no
Haulie Berry
#64 - 2013-05-10 18:22:33 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
LifeHatesMe wrote:
so I take it all the no's in this thread are semi afk cloaky's..


They are PvPers, that have no clue what being an industrialist is all about.


They applaud the game mechanics that have chased the vast majority of industrialists to high sec, while also lamenting that so many of the industrialists are in high sec.



As an industrialist, I really wish the mining peasantry would stop using the term "industrialist" to refer to themselves.

You're not industrialists.

You're diggers.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#65 - 2013-05-10 18:22:45 UTC
Sure I post in yet another one of these threads?

Nah.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#66 - 2013-05-10 18:23:03 UTC
Oh crap I posted in it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#67 - 2013-05-10 18:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
LifeHatesMe wrote:
so I take it all the no's in this thread are semi afk cloaky's..

or your corp has 25+ members on 24/7



you troll posts to keep ccp from changing it to make your life easy...


This is where you start to lose.

I have NEVER cloaky camped anyone, not even goons lol.

I don't LIKE it when a guy comes into my upgraded system and i have to dock up or go to another system. I LIKE killing loads and loads of Blood Raiders in Forsaken and Forlorn hubs (the Blood Raiders pay for my 4 accounts :) ).

But just because I don't like it doesn't mean it should be changed. i don't like dying either, I didn't like it when Confederation of xx Pizza caught me slipping 2 months ago and killed my mach in a haven (it was serpentis revenge, i was in warp to the haven when the pizza guy came in, landed and got scrammed by a serp npc frig lol).

if ccp put some way in the game to hunt cloaky campers, I would, but cloaky camping as it is now isn't such a terrible problem like people make it out to be, there are plenty of good counters available. Just because YOU can't figure them out doesn't mean ccp needs to change things.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#68 - 2013-05-10 18:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Uncloak, light the cyno, 1000 ships show up while we're still locking him...
…and then they die. Free kills for you! Oh, and the problem you're having isn't with cloakers — much less AFK ones.

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Mining isn't industry?
Not really, no. It's resource gathering. And if some timid miners had to change systems, that would still not mean that there would “not be ANY null industry”. The actual industrial parts would still be there.

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People that don't want their ship to go boom when the cloaky camper lights a cyno, are the people effected by cloakers!
So he was right then: the only people effected by AFK Cloakers are bots.
Prince Kobol
#69 - 2013-05-10 18:25:29 UTC
So me one kill mail where a afk cloaky killed a ship and I will agree
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#70 - 2013-05-10 18:26:41 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
How many threads do we need about this



One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs.

It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB.

100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning....

A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.


Cyno jam your freaking system. If you fear to get hot dropped, than not the cloaking mechanic is the broken thing.

Remove insurance.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#71 - 2013-05-10 18:27:39 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
LifeHatesMe wrote:
so I take it all the no's in this thread are semi afk cloaky's..


They are PvPers, that have no clue what being an industrialist is all about.


They applaud the game mechanics that have chased the vast majority of industrialists to high sec, while also lamenting that so many of the industrialists are in high sec.



That's typical of you. Anyone who disagrees philosophically must be one of those nasty PVP people who just want targets.

I'm an explorer, I shoot red Xs for my (in-game) living (i would do it full time if I didn't need food, shelter and clothing).

You always fall back on that "you must want to kill me" defense when you start to lose an argument, and it's a really weak-minded way to be.

EVE is about figuring out things and overcoming obstacles. Try doing that instead of whining and hiding. if you want to go to null, figure it out like I and thousands of others do every day.
Lady Areola Fappington
#72 - 2013-05-10 18:29:05 UTC
Gotta love the "Yer a PVPer you don't know anything about industry" argument. Coz, my alt doesn't have around 13mil SP sunk into industry, and can maybe fly a destroyer in combat.

It's well-known that PVPers tend to make better industrialists anyway. We know how the PVP game works, and know how to avoid it. It's why you only see "pure" industrialists making these kinds of posts.

Those of us who know how to mitigate/defend from cloaky campers and hotdrops are happily doing it, while ye olde "pure" industrialist who's never done PVP is sitting in-station, complaining on EVE-O.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2013-05-10 18:29:10 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
LifeHatesMe wrote:
so I take it all the no's in this thread are semi afk cloaky's..


They are PvPers, that have no clue what being an industrialist is all about.


They applaud the game mechanics that have chased the vast majority of industrialists to high sec, while also lamenting that so many of the industrialists are in high sec.



No...

We go to high sec because it is impossible to build competitively in 0.0. AFK cloakies have zero impact on industry.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-05-10 18:30:29 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
So me one kill mail where a afk cloaky killed a ship and I will agree



The problem isn't that the cloaky is afk. The problem is that there is no way to know if the cloaky is afk OR NOT.


So, the problem is the cloaky camping mechanics that allow people to be invulnerable, with little or no effort.

Where are the "no place should be totally safe" people on this?!

Cloaked up is a ship in space that is totally safe. EVE is no longer EVE, because if there is ever a place where you are totally safe, then EVE won't be EVE anymore.
Jureth22
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2013-05-10 18:32:15 UTC
wtb more threads regarding cloack nerf
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2013-05-10 18:33:38 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
The problem isn't that the cloaky is afk. The problem is that there is no way to know if the cloaky is afk OR NOT.
Yes there is: if he moves, he's not AFK.

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Where are the "no place should be totally safe" people on this?!
They're noticing that AFK cloakers inject a measure of insecurity into the otherwise perfect intel tool that is local. Also, are you proposing that enemies should be allowed to eject you from your station?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#77 - 2013-05-10 18:34:05 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
So me one kill mail where a afk cloaky killed a ship and I will agree


Exactly.

Its like nobody actually plays this game.

AFK - cant do anything.

Cloaked - Cant use modules.

AFK Cloaked - at what point are we beating a dead horse...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#78 - 2013-05-10 18:34:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Oh crap I posted in it.

Its like watching a train wreck, except the train wreck happens every other week because some new person or pacifist wants to keep beating the dead horse.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#79 - 2013-05-10 18:34:25 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Gotta love the "Yer a PVPer you don't know anything about industry" argument. Coz, my alt doesn't have around 13mil SP sunk into industry, and can maybe fly a destroyer in combat.

It's well-known that PVPers tend to make better industrialists anyway. We know how the PVP game works, and know how to avoid it. It's why you only see "pure" industrialists making these kinds of posts.

Those of us who know how to mitigate/defend from cloaky campers and hotdrops are happily doing it, while ye olde "pure" industrialist who's never done PVP is sitting in-station, complaining on EVE-O.


Exactly.

I mean, it's not even hard, and yet people Like Tarawa are so scared they don't participate in part of a video game. My corp mines and builds ships (even caps) and deals with cloaky campers and hotdroppers all the time so i know how it's done. but if you listen to Tarawa it's like you can't even physically enter null sec because some guy has a cloak on his ship.

It's incredible to me. My corp must obviously be doing it wrong.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-05-10 18:35:37 UTC
I think people should be able to cloaky camp systems for week on end if they choose to.

However I think they should have to be at their computers to do it. Nobody wants to nerf cloaky gameplay. That works well. It's the AFK element that is the issue. Like it or not or espouse it or not AFK still has an effect while cloaked.

My recommendation is simply a systemwide pulse that causes VERY slow overheat damage to an active cloak. Taking 15 mins or more before burnout. To stop overheating simply decloak and recloak again. This has little to no affect on active players such as bomber gangs and blockade runners. But you have to be half paying attention to the screen to maintain your camp. of course the longer you wait the more nanite paste you will eat up hence an AFK guys cloak will burn out. A minimally attentive guy will have his nanite paste burn up more quickly but an attentive camper will use barely any.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.