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30 days dual character training - now on Singularity

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#141 - 2013-05-10 17:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
DarthNefarius wrote:
EvEa Deva wrote:
Not sure i really like this or not, but im sure CCP will make a fukton of cash off it.


Just as long as CCP reinvests some this money back into EVE instead of the Dust moneypit

They can spend their money on whatever they like Darth, they really don't need our permission. Smile

Much as people that do not wish to use this option need not spend a dime on it.

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LethalGeek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2013-05-10 17:12:55 UTC
eddie valvetino wrote:
am I the only person that thinks this is utterly pointless?

So you pay the same price to train an alt on the same account as your main. meaning you can only use it as when your main is NOT logged on, as you would to just have another account that lets you use both accounts at the same time.

I get that it means your alts can train little bits at a time, but it's MUCH cheaper to have a second account and then transfer that toon to your main account and pay for that with RL money. Honestly.. what useful thing can you gain in a month? two months, or even three? Even a covert scout doesn't happen inside 3 months...

Nice work CCP, now we see why you love Jita scammers.
This is a bad post.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#143 - 2013-05-10 17:14:38 UTC
How is this useful? If I wanted to pay for another character I'd setup a 2nd account.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-05-10 17:15:43 UTC
eddie valvetino wrote:
am I the only person that thinks this is utterly pointless?

So you pay the same price to train an alt on the same account as your main. meaning you can only use it as when your main is NOT logged on, as you would to just have another account that lets you use both accounts at the same time.

I get that it means your alts can train little bits at a time, but it's MUCH cheaper to have a second account and then transfer that toon to your main account and pay for that with RL money. Honestly.. what useful thing can you gain in a month? two months, or even three? Even a covert scout doesn't happen inside 3 months...

Nice work CCP, now we see why you love Jita scammers.


lay off the cough syrup buddy
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-05-10 17:16:12 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
How is this useful? If I wanted to pay for another character I'd setup a 2nd account.


Not useful to me != not useful to anyone.

Don't like it don't use it.
Scaara Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#146 - 2013-05-10 17:17:34 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
i'm not entirely sure i see the value (if any) in this feature?


Wont be useful for multiboxing but you could say have a hauler, market alt and an industry alt all training stuff on one account Instead of having them spread across 3 accounts.
Haulie Berry
#147 - 2013-05-10 17:22:58 UTC
eddie valvetino wrote:
am I the only person that thinks this is utterly pointless?


Yes.


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I get that it means your alts can train little bits at a time, but it's MUCH cheaper to have a second account and then transfer that toon to your main account and pay for that with RL money.



...what?

Are you high?

Say I need an alt with a 1 year training plan. I don't need it logged in at the same time with my main, and want it on the same account, because I don't want to plex a second account indefinitely.

Right now I would have to open a second account, plex it for 12 months, and then pay (2?) additional plex to transfer it to my main account, for a total cost of 14 plex.

With this, I could buy 12 plex, train my alt side-by-side with my main for 12 months for a total cost of 12 plex.

How the **** is it MUCH cheaper to use a different account?
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#148 - 2013-05-10 17:27:15 UTC
I can now start training titan holding alts to sell off. Great day!
LethalGeek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2013-05-10 17:27:38 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
How the **** is it MUCH cheaper to use a different account?

Some people are doing What Ifs about The Power of 2 or friend invites and etc etc because they just have to argue about everything for sake of being contrary.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-05-10 17:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaxix
Haulie Berry wrote:
Say I need an alt with a 1 year training plan. I don't need it logged in at the same time with my main, and want it on the same account, because I don't want to plex a second account indefinitely.

Right now I would have to open a second account, plex it for 12 months, and then pay (2?) additional plex to transfer it to my main account, for a total cost of 14 plex.

With this, I could buy 12 plex, train my alt side-by-side with my main for 12 months for a total cost of 12 plex.

How the **** is it MUCH cheaper to use a different account?

Or you could, you know, take the first week of that 12 months to train PI alts on that second account, and at the end of 12 months you'll have covered a significant portion of the cost of the 12 months. At the very least, you could have two low skill PI characters inside of 48 to 72 hours. If you added PI skills to the third alt you're looking to train, you'll do even better.

There's nothing bad about this new option, but there's nothing amazing about it.
LethalGeek wrote:
Some people are doing What Ifs about The Power of 2 or friend invites and etc etc because they just have to argue about everything for sake of being contrary.

Like everything else in EVE, it's all in the planning. If Haulie would prefer to pay 12 PLEX instead of 6 with a week of extra training, I won't argue with her/him.

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Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-05-10 17:37:49 UTC
Scaara Koraka wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
i'm not entirely sure i see the value (if any) in this feature?


Wont be useful for multiboxing but you could say have a hauler, market alt and an industry alt all training stuff on one account Instead of having them spread across 3 accounts.



It's still great for multiboxing.

My combat alts can have some hulks (which will cost 5 plex worth of training each) on the same account. My space-coffin supercap accounts can do the same thing, and then there's the dedicated miner accounts I'm already setting up.
Now I don't have to take my combat setup to the other side of the galaxy every time I need money, and my isk/account is significantly higher.
You could always just buy characters, but finding a focused character that doesn't suck and or have way too much SP is physically painful. Go read the character trading forum some time. It'll make you realize that suicide gankers truly do Space-God's work.



"Why don't you just train hulks on even more accounts then do a transfer hurr :downs:"

1.) Effort. Go set up 8 buddy-invited accounts to train hulks on, then set up APIs for your corp and misc eve tools.
2.) When you plex a buddy invited account, the account that sent the invitation gets 30d worth of gametime. I PLEX all my stuff anyways so it's basically a free month. Perfect T1 strip miner hulks are going to take me something like 4 and a half months. That's basically 3 PLEX after the trial, plus 2 plex transfer fee.
Great! I accomplished the same thing for the same price! And all it cost me was significantly more effort, and the ability to train them in the future without screwing up my other dudes!
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#152 - 2013-05-10 17:38:46 UTC
I don't get it... what is this for? isn't it the same but less than paying one more account? after all it uses plex...
CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp
#153 - 2013-05-10 17:44:38 UTC
Hey all,

RubberBAND here from the team implementing this feature. First apologies that you have not seen a Dev Blog about this. We had planned for one to go just prior to Fanfest, but that plan fell through. We hope to have a Dev Blog out sometime soon, but we don't have an ETA for you all yet.

To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it. As most have figured out, this is a short term option for people who want to train an alt on their account without having to maintain two (or more) accounts.

If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.

Anyway expect more information soon, till then keep this thread rolling.

Feel free to poke me on: Twitter

Haulie Berry
#154 - 2013-05-10 17:46:01 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:


To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it.



Shut up and take my money.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#155 - 2013-05-10 17:48:28 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:


To answer some of the questions in this thread, we are very interested in feedback regarding this feature and how useful you may find it.



Shut up and take my money.
you didn't say it loud enough, so i fixed.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#156 - 2013-05-10 17:48:53 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
If you are training two characters and the dual character in training runs out, the character with fewest skill points is assumed to be the alt and will be paused, while your character with more skill points will continue training.
Reasonable enough. +1
Gordwin Sendare
House Lannister
#157 - 2013-05-10 17:57:35 UTC
I can see myself using it. It's definitely a handy option to have. I wouldn't use it 24/7 but I'd think the game would be better with this feature than without it.
LethalGeek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2013-05-10 18:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: LethalGeek
Zaxix wrote:
Like everything else in EVE, it's all in the planning. If Haulie would prefer to pay 12 PLEX instead of 6 with a week of extra training, I won't argue with her/him.
Sure. Then a year later I go dang I want this character to also do this instead of doing the New Account Transfer Dance all over again I just slap a plex on the alt and take care of it.

Listen to mr I have to plan everything perfectly to have maximum fun over here.
Allus Nova
#159 - 2013-05-10 18:07:13 UTC
If it costs a FULL plex for training on your second character, what benefit is there to doing this? Just open another account (which you can regularly get for like 5 dollars, maybe less) and you can use them simultaneously.

This is stupid, there should be some benefit to this, perhaps 45 days of training for an alt.
Haulie Berry
#160 - 2013-05-10 18:08:08 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Or you could, you know, take the first week of that 12 months to train PI alts on that second account, and at the end of 12 months you'll have covered a significant portion of the cost of the 12 months.


This works, if we completely ignore the effort of actually doing PI. I'm not magically generating more money by virtue of the fact that I have some PI characters now. Now I have to set up planets, manage them, and haul the **** they produce. If I wanted to do any of that, I would already be doing it on the characters I have.