Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hype is the clear winner, it'll actually be usable for a number of things, Domi has it's strengths at the expense of losing it's versatility, Mega is nerfed.

New Hyperion has been caught power tanking 4+ battleships on Sisi. I mean it didn't win the fight but damn was it hard to kill. New Mega is mostly okay.

Hyperion needs a nerf to its drone bay, 125/125 is more than enough.

I don't really see the mega as being nerfed... It gets more dps, a tiny bit less ehp, a modest amount more speed, and much more of its dps weighted in guns rather than drones.

IMO, they should swap the megathron and the domi's roles. Megathron should gain ehp, lose speed, and be resigned as a combat BS. Dome should be granted mobility and be resigned an attack BS. I personally think drones work better in the "attack role" over the "combat" role anyway. A fancy new model that looks somewhat sleek would be the kicker here.

Damg Changed to RoF = lower alpha and in short fights more rounds needed to deal the damg the old one can do at current. more cap need the drones are the iceing overall long fights can deal slightly more damg But will cost more ammo and cap makeing drawn out fights with it a disadvange. long term use is fail. i did do some off had math (the best kind) in a 7x turret volly the Old mega can deal about 10kmore damg (raw figers) and takes an extra 10 seconds to do it the new mega 3.5 more cycles around to do it works out to 40s(old cycle time) to 30s(new) add in the extra 3 cycles and its anotther 10 seconds (for this Base stats were used and RoF skill was removed) (warning on math it is off hand and im sure some one has just started doing it proper to complain at me)



I bleive it sits at 9 efective guns unlike its old 10 effective guns it has lost 2 turret hardpoints and gaind 1 utility and some drones overall its an improvment and I can live with to some dagree i do find it odd how we no longer have an 8 Turret BS thou i still want to know why this is...that and why the 8 Turret T3 BC tenicly can put out more damg >.>...


the Domi is basicly a junkpile in space with 1 real use and a lessing value in PvE (due to drones being ********) and destroyable damg YaY that and the drone bay matches the amarrs one explane how the amarr have better drone tech than the Gal? caz makes no sens to me.

- Seeker

Don't the targets still need to be within locking range of your ship?
[edit: ah wait, never mind if you meant we ALSO need to provide DLAs for the drone control range to match the drone attack range.]

I did a lot of testing on Drone Aggression Mechanics for the last alliance tourney:

A sniper drone BS fleet would most likely assign drones to a fleet mate (aka a drone bunny) that has a nice long lock range (like a Recon). The drone bunny will then completely control drone aggro, so your sniping Domi's won't need sensor boosters...

I highly doubt sniping Domi's would replace sniping Rohks because sniping drones have a ton of vulnerabilities, mostly tied to the fact sentry drones don't move, and "recovering them" is non-trivial. Stationary forces are extremely easy to avoid and/or overpower.

Some notes I probably shouldn't make public:
1.) In order for drones to engage a target, the target needs to be within Drone Control Range of your ship. Your lock range is irrelevant. In other words, sniper domi's could simply fleet up with a buddy in a recon (or other 200km lock range ship), and assign drones bypassing the need for a sensor boosters.

2.) To tell a drone to defend or assist an ally, they have to be within drone control range.

3.) Telling them to defend an ally will have them (quasi-randomnly) engage a target that is within drone control range of YOUR ship.

4.) There is a target prioritizing AI for drones. The target priority is dependent on your drone type, on the agressing types of targets, on the range to target, and perhaps something else (order of aggression?). If anyone knows this in detail, it could be useful. To give an example: I think lights drones will typically primary frigates over cruisers, BC's, and BS's, and I believe they'll go after the closest frigate to the drone...

5.) You can only give attack orders to targets within your drone control range, and you obviously need to target someone to tell your drones to attack them. However, if a target travels outside of your drone control range or targetting range after your drones have engaged them, your drones will still engage them. Note: Sometimes the drone AI rechecks drone aggro (I don't know why, but seems to usually be triggered at the same time drones turn on their MWD to "catch up"). When this happens, if the target is beyond your drone control range they will cease their attack. Furthermore, if the drones themselves are far enough away it is possible they will simply disconnect from your ship.

6.) Telling them to assist an ally will have them sit idle, until your ally commits a new act of aggression against a target within your drone control range. It does NOT matter if your ally is already aggressing a target, your drones will sit idle until your ally commits a NEW act of aggression. So, telling your ally you've assisted drones to them means the ally needs to cycle a gun or EWAR mod off, and then turn that gun/EWAR back on for them to engage.

7.) When drones are assisted to you (except in the case of fighters), your drone shortcuts are meaningless. The assisted drones will not obey your drone control commands.

C-type adaptive nano plates not uncommon on current mega for same reason

Ok, maybe it's more of a role change than a straight nerf. From a balanced small gang battleship to a one-dimensional glass cannon. Competition is tough for the new Mega, class leader in the blaster platform is the Talos with equal dps and better mobility, for fleets it's the Rokh with better range and tank.

It does have midslot-and tank advantage over Talos, and in hybrid tank fit it reaches combat BC mobility, which might cut it some slack.

Cost, however, is a factor.

I think I've decided. Give the Dominix these bonuses:

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+12.5% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed (replaces large hybrid turret damage)

Reduce the power grid by 1000.


An now you have a super specialised drone boat that isn't completely eclipsed by the Geddon. Sentry drones are massive pains in the ass, but if I can get gardes to do close to 900 dps, I WILL FIND A WAY TO MAKE THEM WORK.

man dont you wish all drones had warp drives? that way they would follow you in warp like fighters...