EVE General Discussion

I am currently sitting in a Breacher.

I would probably be willing to take a crack at a vagabond with it for the following reasons:

1. Depending on fits, I feel like I have a greater-than-0% chance of killing a vagabond in this.
2. If I fail, it's an inexpensive and unextraordinary killmail for me.
3. If I succeed, it's an expensive, amusing, and embarrassing killmail for him.

I have killed a Vagabond before. I used a rifter, a common, lowly, T1 frigate. I didn't even have full T2 equipment at the time. I got in close so his guns couldn't hit me, I used a nosferatu to ward off the occasional energy neut, and I slowly wore him down. A ship with a total value of maybe 3 million isk murdered one worth almost a hundred times more.

It has little to do with skill points and fancy ships. It has EVERYTHING to do with knowing the strengths and weaknesses you have and what you can make of the situation at hand. It also has to do with having some cojones.

Granted, at six days old you aren't going to know what each ship can and can't do, and you aren't going to know when to fight and when to run - and how to run if you need to. However, at six days old, you can start learning.

Does this guy want fights? Do you want to learn? Offer him this: You will fight him as much as he wants as long as he provides the ships and offers advice along the way. If he won't provide the ships, maybe someone else will.

Hell, I will. Send me an Eve Mail with what you'd like to fly. I'll buy you frigates with fittings. I'll drop them off tomorrow at the high security station of your choice. You have to use them, though. You have to learn from each fight. Show me some progress (tell me what you've learned) and I'll keep supplying you with cheap ships until your war ends.

You have nothing to lose under this arrangement. It's sad that your more experienced corp mates can't offer you something similar, but nobody is perfect right?

Or you can continue to post about how helpless you are and be a victim. It's totally up to you. Eve punishes people with a victim mentality. It chews them up and spits them out. Your only hope for long term survival is to change your attitude.

Seven days ago he was playing BGO...

There are so many things wrong here. Sent OP a mail with details because this thread is an unproductive circlejerk and there's no notifications if people respond (thanks, Obama CCP), but it goes along the lines of:

- The corp looks like an easy mark, which is apparently true.
- The blind leading the blind leads to good times for wardeccers and other opportunists. It is the corp CEO/leadership I'm speaking of. Very disappointing.
- General wardec-fighting or evasion tactics.
- Find a different corp.


Hey man, my corp has an official corp-sanctioned awoxing program, plus awoxing events. There's a place for everyone.

Okay... let's run through a few things.

1. Lose the "victim" mentality and adopt a "predator-prey" one. Right now... YOU are the gazelle, your attacker is the lion. The gazelle may not have claws and teeth to threaten the lion but it does have means of defending and avoiding the lion.

2. We HAVE been where you are at now. For most of us, it's a "rite of passage" that teaches us how to use what options we have to the best of our abilities (see personal story below).

3. If you are being camped in a station then...
a. Right click your ship...
b. undock in your pod...
c. warp away.
Pods warp almost instantaneously so don't worry about getting caught. Just fly away. Come back after things blow over to retrieve your ship.

4. This bears repeating because it's so important; even as a rookie YOU ALWAYS HAVE OPTIONS!! Don't think in terms of a David vs. Goliath... you either win or you lose... get stronger so you won't lose. Go for the "stalemate" option. Make yourself as frustrating as possible to deal with. That can sometimes result in a victory by default.

5. Again... it sounds like your corp simply isn't helping you. Go to another corp that won't just protect you, but train you to be a predator yourself. You may want to be a carebear for the rest of your EVE career... but intimately knowing what tactics aggressors may use against you helps you avoid them in the first place.

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Personal Story: Five years ago I was a member of a rookie-lol corp. We had some veterans running the show but they were not on all the time.
During our first war dec the leadership did their best to consolidate everyone into the same system so we all know where everyone else was and could hopefully rely on them for back up. Some of us still died. Miserably.
Eventually some of us newbies got fed up being camped in and undocked what we thought was a fleet made of awesome. We did manage to get the hostiles to back off from the station a bit... but they stuck around and we had no plan or idea to drive them off.
Eventually we (or rather I) then hatched a plan to warp in on them at point blank range and hold them down long enough for people to arrive. And the best part was that I knew full well I was going to die... I just figured I would be able to take one down with me. Predictably, things didn't turn out so well. I didn't even scratch the shields of any of the ships (they were way too fast for my slow ship).
But I did learn some good lessons;
- don't be a hero.
- don't be a hero in a fat ass ship.
- don't be a hero in a fat ass ship you don't have skills for.
- don't be a hero in a fat ass ship you don't have skills with back-up too far away to help you and too close to warp to you.

Eventually corp leadership struck a deal with the aggressing corp; we would give them one big battle to satiate their desires and in return they would leave us alone. The corp leadership furnished us with some ships, told us how the fleet would be run, and off we went. Even though most of us died (there is barely a killboard record of it) we killed enough of the wartargets (one or two of them) to tie with them in terms of ISK lost.

A little under five months later I joined Faction Warfare and started getting my ass canned by people less than a few weeks old in ships that I simply shouldn't have had any issues with.

Since then I have learned that even the cheapest and most low tech of ships can pack a punch when used in numbers.
My personal favorites are the...
- Thrasher: fit with small artillery cannons and in a pack of five or six similarly fitted ships... anything cruiser sized (Tech 2 or not) explodes violently in a under a minute.
- Atron: fit with biggest light blasters you can buy, MWD, web, and scram... get a half dozen or so of these and just bumrush your target. Most of your ships will die (because they have no HP) but they utterly MELT anything they can catch. They're dirt cheap too. About one or two million or so. Maybe less.
- Incursus: not very fast, not the most ganky, but against other ships around its class (even Tech 2 ones) it has a lot of endurance.

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*facepalm*
In Amamake...
OP... no offense to your CEO but if he/she takes you THERE of all places to run anomalies then you need to change corps ASAP.

6 days is more than enough time to get into a griffin so its not that much of an advantage.

It costs 50mil to declare war on a corp. So immediately the aggressor is out the ISK and then has to put up ships that could be lost. Defenders can call in allies while the attacker cannot. Attacked corps can simply dissolve and recreate the exact same corp.

Yes it is still easy for wardecers to pray on n00b corps which is an argument for not joning a n00b corp, not for nerfing wardecs even more. I think Eve, or at least hisec, would do well with 1/2 the number of corps it has now. If your corp can't field 10-20 guys during crunch times, its more of a Mom and Pop than a Corporation.

brb deccing OPs corp for the delicious tears

It should be illegal to form a corp in hisec

Try not to post any more until you have managed to get your three brain cells active at the same time.

The OP is new and just finding out how hard Eve can be.

Lets hope he sticks with the game.