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Nullsec hunter-killers, please enlighten me

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#61 - 2013-05-09 18:34:27 UTC
Why don't you try it yourself to find out?

The Tears Must Flow
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#62 - 2013-05-09 18:36:29 UTC
Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:
Why do people hunt? It is certainly not profitable, right? And usually it is not about meat either - it is for the hunt itself.
Hunting people in EVE is quite like it; grabbing pod, expensive kill and "tears" is an added bonus, basically meaning that hunt went especially well
and with all due respect - if you didn't care at all, you won't be on this forum, you would just fly back to your station, buy another drake and go on with your ratting, so I would say this hunt went quite well Twisted



Its not for the profit that they do it. Most these guys have more isk than they can spend. They have done the tedious work to gather their wealth. Now they want to use it to cause problems for others and for fun.

People are not wired the same obviously. What motivates one causes another to scratch their head.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#63 - 2013-05-09 18:42:19 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
But again that's moot. ultimately your problem is that you can't understand why people (in a video game with ships and guns) would do something you wouldn't. It's a very limited way to look at the world (and weak).


Not really sure what your reading-comprehension issue is, but I already responded here several times (to others) that I could understand why people would do something I wouldn't. I just wanted to know what the reason was (if any), as it might be a reason I hadn't considered.

Look, you seem to be overflowing with troll, hate, etc. towards me.



Yes....yes she/he/it is. Pettion for a name change JennaTroll. I consider her part of the proffessional troll team who's main goal is to get topics locked. So far they have done a stellar job at it.

I have found it best not to even reply at all. Ignoring them is your best weapon against them.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#64 - 2013-05-09 18:52:42 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
But again that's moot. ultimately your problem is that you can't understand why people (in a video game with ships and guns) would do something you wouldn't. It's a very limited way to look at the world (and weak).


Not really sure what your reading-comprehension issue is, but I already responded here several times (to others) that I could understand why people would do something I wouldn't. I just wanted to know what the reason was (if any), as it might be a reason I hadn't considered.

Look, you seem to be overflowing with troll, hate, etc. towards me.



Yes....yes she/he/it is. Pettion for a name change JennaTroll. I consider her part of the proffessional troll team who's main goal is to get topics locked. So far they have done a stellar job at it.

I have found it best not to even reply at all. Ignoring them is your best weapon against them.


How I know i "won" *yay i won the Internets) is that all you can do is sit and snipe from the sidelines. That's pretty pitiful, but then again I guess it's easier to hate me than the figure out what's wrong with your own thought processes ain't it.....
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2013-05-09 19:06:17 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
But again that's moot. ultimately your problem is that you can't understand why people (in a video game with ships and guns) would do something you wouldn't. It's a very limited way to look at the world (and weak).


Not really sure what your reading-comprehension issue is, but I already responded here several times (to others) that I could understand why people would do something I wouldn't. I just wanted to know what the reason was (if any), as it might be a reason I hadn't considered.


My comprehension is fine, it's you lack of understanding yourself that is the problem.

Look, you seem to be overflowing with troll, hate, etc. towards me. And you seem to be pretty overflowing with conviction over defending this style of gameplay (not that it needed 'defending' per se, as I don't believe I attacked it), and pretty overflowing with disdain towards my personal playstyle or outlook towards the game.[/quote]

You're right, I don't like you at all. I have no respect for someone who would rather find a way to blame others for their own failings, and THEN have the gall to pretend they didn't do that.

That's why i linked the other thread you started, and why most people here can understand what you're all about. You really can't grasp the idea that other people will do things that you wouldn't (you have displayed this by tryiong to defned what you think is "reasonable" conduct, which is why my 1st reply to you in this thread was "why are you wondering why people with guns are shooting at you" lol).

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Fine - I'm down with it. Let me help you play the game the way you like, exercise your demons, whatever. I will be at system T-GCGL ratting (where this very incident occured, assuming the kill report didn't contain such info). It is somewhat north of Jita - easy to find. If you like this style of gameplay so much, if you believe it to be a highly productive and/or fun use of game-time, or if you believe it puts you so far ahead while simultaneously putting me so far behind, or if you believe it causes me 'tears' and you derive enjoyment from that, etc. come on down.


While I'd love to help you generate some tears, the fact that you are not a Blood Raider means I don't want to shoot you.

Of course you can come to Querious in a Bhaalgorn and i'll waive my normal prohibitions lol.

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crazy stuff.


I'm just going to *not* quote this last part because all it would do is demonstrate that you are as batshit crazy as hollyshocker/E-2C are.



Let me ask you something i've always wanted to ask you butthurt people. IF YOU CAN'T TAKE CRITICISIM,WHAT YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO POST THESE KINDS OF THREADS (in all caps so you can see it).

I mean time and time again, you people post stupid things, people like me call you out for posting stupid things, then you get butt hurt because you posted stupid things. Do you expect people to tell you what you want to hear?

I once posted that i lost a JUMP freighter because I was drunk and stupid and decided to autopilot to jita while my alliance was at war. Someone posted that I was a dumbass. Because i was a dumbass who lost an 8 billion isk ship because of sleep deprevations + rum and coke + stupidity, i could do naught but agree. That thread was like 12 posts and done because there was no fight, because what the guy said about me was true.

And there lies the difference between me and your "type", Xodai. I know how to take responsibility for my actions, even in a video game. You tried to salve your ego by forum posting and are now upset with people simply telling you like it is.

You should use this to learn about yourself brother.
Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#66 - 2013-05-09 19:12:21 UTC
Some people just like to grief.

And there is very little to do in EVE aside from screw people over one way or another.

CONTENT

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Draqone an'Alreigh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-05-09 19:18:44 UTC
Zak Breen wrote:
screw people over one way or another.


In the gaming industry i think this is what they mean by "user generated content". P

Inducing the proliferation of common sense throughout EVE Official forums since April 27th, 2013.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-05-09 19:19:53 UTC
Zak Breen wrote:
Some people just like to grief.

And there is very little to do in EVE aside from screw people over one way or another.

CONTENT


How is flying a spaceship with guns in a video game about spaceeships and guns "griefing"?

When i was a kid I used to Grief asteroids at the arcade all day. The game was called "Asteroids".
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#69 - 2013-05-09 19:23:36 UTC
@op

I understand what u mean, but it is quite simple.

Some people just enjoy shooting others in tha face Lol

personally i'm too much of a carebear to do this... hell, i felt sorry for this guy in a thorax, who thought it smart to shoot at my Nighthawk... i gave him his remaining stuff back even (i would be a very lousy pirate LOL)

But others do... u might question their morality, but this is eve, u don't need to have morals, just common sense and a healthy dose of paranoia Twisted
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#70 - 2013-05-09 19:28:01 UTC
Wow, so if someone stole your car, you essentially had no losses if you had another car in the garage, and insurance covered half the value?

I totally buy that rationalization.

Also, learn to align out.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Nerva Auris
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-05-09 19:45:13 UTC
Augustine Artrald wrote:
Asmodai Xodai wrote:

Why do these guys engage in this sort of activity?


I wouldn't worry too much about it. By posting here, you are catering to those who seek enjoyment through the suffering of others. Just play and enjoy the game your own way. Ignore those who would seek to impede your progress for no real gain, as you revel in superiority that you've reached a moral competence far greater than they.


You are correct, in fact I skipped breakfast this morning and instead came here to feed off of the suffering of others.

That said, if you are "suffering" as the result of one set of pixels blowing up another set of pixels in a video game, and grading your 'moral competence' based on your behavior in a video game, you should probably step away from the computer for a while. Go the beach, see a movie, have a picnic, do something, because your perspective on what EVE actually is seems to be tremendously skewed.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#72 - 2013-05-09 19:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Tears aside, what you have to consider is that for many pilots isk is no longer a motivator. Imagine for a moment that you can fly and afford to loose every ship you ever wanted to fly many times over. What do you do? Make more isk? Why? Ratting is dull and boring. Same goes for missions. Mining? Lol. Trading? Updating orders can get pretty tedious when you have 200+ active orders across several characters, and turns the game into glorified ms excel.

So what's left exactly? Exploding ships! Exploding ships are fun. Especially when you have the know-how to explode the other guy's ship without getting your own ship exploded. And every now and then you come across a loot pinata using a-type and x-type mods on their plexing tengu.



People don't explode your ships to make isk. People don't even explode your ship to make you loose isk. People explode your ship to explode your ship. Because they can.
Asmodai Xodai
#73 - 2013-05-09 19:52:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
While I'd love to help you generate some tears, the fact that you are not a Blood Raider means I don't want to shoot you.

Of course you can come to Querious in a Bhaalgorn and i'll waive my normal prohibitions lol.


Hey, your choice. But for the record, I was offering to assist you in playing the game just as you claim to like to play it. I was offering you prime tears, prime grief material, the chance to post the kill right here, etc. Seems that if you really believed what you said, you'd take me up on it.

I stopped just short of posting you the exact time I would be ratting, as I figured that might make things too easy for you and thus rob you of some sense of accomplishment.

I didn't really get what you were referring to in the remainder of your post, as you didn't quote what you were responding to.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-05-09 20:27:08 UTC
I bet if you were faction fit with +5 implants you would not be wondering why.
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#75 - 2013-05-09 20:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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#76 - 2013-05-09 20:34:59 UTC
I skipped from page 2 onwards because TLDR.

OP, to many people in this game, myself included, kill mails are worth more than isk. Many people do not try to maximize their efficiency in activities like you do, or rationally go about their business. Some people just want to watch the world burn (I don't know who said that, but I know it's a quote). So to those that killed you, they "won" because they destroyed your ship, pod, and scooped some nice meta 4 loot. A victory in their eyes. To you, you "won" because everything you lost was easily replaceable and you had already accrued enough isk to cover any destruction of your ships.

So in your eyes, they wasted their time hunting you down and killing you, when they could have been out making ISK. To them, they accomplished their goal, kill a ship for the kill mail and lulz.

In the end, we hang out in a sandbox, so go, play in the sand however you wish, and HAVE FUN Smile

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Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-05-09 21:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Skex Relbore
Get out!!!

Seriously I'd purge you for being such a whinny twit if you were in my corp.

You live in null, you rat for isk and you takes your risks. That risk is that neutrals coming through are trying to kill you. It's ok though because we're trying to kill them too so it works out. If I were out roaming hostile space I'd be as quick to kill their ratters as they are to kill ours.

I lost two Ishtars today, one stupidly to rats by forgetting to turn on my tank before warping to an anomaly then a second while I was sorting that character out and I forgot to keep an eye on intel and missed the hostile gang that came through and got me. It happens, they're not the first ratting boats I've lost they won't be the last. As long as I can make more isk than I lose then it's just the cost of doing business, if I lose more than I can make then I change activities.

But you will not see me cry about it, hell some guys got one of my ratters a few weeks back and contracted me the corpse, I sent them an evemail congratulating them on the kill and thanking them for the laugh.

Basically lighten up, it's a game it's meant to be fun it just so happens that sometimes the other guy gets to win and that means you get to lose.

You gambled, you lost, simple as that. You should have warped out the second you noticed the hostile in local, you got greedy and stuck around to finish off that BS to make that extra mill isk and that cost you your ratting ship and clone, What should you do? You chuckle about it, send them a GF in local and try to make a better choice next time. I mean you would't accuse the other team of being psychopaths if they beat you in a basketball game would you? So why are you getting all bent out of shape because they beat you at spreadsheets in space?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-09 21:28:55 UTC
Skex Relbore wrote:
Get out!!!

Seriously I'd purge you for being such a whinny twit if you were in my corp.

You live in null, you rat for isk and you takes your risks. That risk is that neutrals coming through are trying to kill you. It's ok though because we're trying to kill them too so it works out. If I were out roaming hostile space I'd be as quick to kill their ratters as they are to kill ours.

I lost two Ishtars today, one stupidly to rats by forgetting to turn on my tank before warping to an anomaly then a second while I was sorting that character out and I forgot to keep an eye on intel and missed the hostile gang that came through and got me. It happens, they're not the first ratting boats I've lost they won't be the last. As long as I can make more isk than I lose then it's just the cost of doing business, if I lose more than I can make then I change activities.

But you will not see me cry about it, hell some guys got one of my ratters a few weeks back and contracted me the corpse, I sent them an evemail congratulating them on the kill and thanking them for the laugh.

Basically lighten up, it's a game it's meant to be fun it just so happens that sometimes the other guy gets to win and that means you get to lose.

You gambled, you lost, simple as that. You should have warped out the second you noticed the hostile in local, you got greedy and stuck around to finish off that BS to make that extra mill isk and that cost you your ratting ship and clone, What should you do? You chuckle about it, send them a GF in local and try to make a better choice next time. I mean you would't accuse the other team of being psychopaths if they beat you in a basketball game would you? So why are you getting all bent out of shape because they beat you at spreadsheets in space?

You do realize the OPs mentality is the standard for most null bears right? Once again proving that the most risk averse players are null bears.
Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#79 - 2013-05-09 21:38:16 UTC
Why?

Because there is always the chance that you will get the kill. I'm sure it wasn't personal, I'm sure it was simply a matter of let's see if he calls in his friends so we can have a go of it.

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Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-05-09 21:44:19 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

You do realize the OPs mentality is the standard for most null bears right? Once again proving that the most risk averse players are null bears.



No the OP's mentality is not the standard for most "NullBears", Most "null bears" accept that a certain amount of risk is inherent in any activity and take actions to mitigate those risks as best they are able. The null bears I know get a chuckle over losing a ship, because if we couldn't shrug it off we'd have moved back to high sec already.