EVE General Discussion

Process this: Game=/= RL.

So why did you play again?

It is interesting to see how that mental construct is used as some kind of protection. It's not related only to EVE, but many people seem to think that somewhere between a keyboard, cpu and modem is a line separating "Real Life" from... what, Virtual World? Fantasyland? Alternative Reality? 7th Dimension, where your acts upon other people become non-acts :D

"I might write like an angry bastard on the forums, but I'm actually pretty chill in RL"

Process this: the game is just a part of your RL.

You are in it for an challenge, thats perfectly acceptable.

Your view on Freud teaching are misguided, i would suggest to read some of his stuff, however i find it something hard to read.

But what challenge can an "even perfectly tanked hulk" be to an gank maelstrom ? even full fleet would not safe him unless they suicide gank said Maelstrom

dissclaimer : i lost an hulk on my alt and didnt feel as i lost since it already made up for an charon and enough money for another, i time to time give free faction ships to noobs, even faction fitted ships.

I am aware that they will lose it be it to rats or other players and they will HTFU so they wont feel emotional attachment to things.

In someway i am not against suicide ganking, however i am against "rage" caused by itself. Hmm sounds like i am contradicting myself...

I once killed an cyclone an low sec, who was ratting. Once i saw what fit he used i mailed that guy and gave him some fits and explanation and offer to refund his loss.

But thats still about me mostly. I am what i am and i am sorry.

Unnecessary comment. But if it made you happy.

true. yet since some people consider EVE as an glorified IRC client

But thats not the point of the thread. The thread itself is about perception of oneself who does stuff.

Mostly what we learned

Gankers do stuff because : its an game
Why that answer is fail you can read through thread.

Thats actually very true : You are immortal in character

yet i doubt that there are many people who actually plays in character, gankers as well as carebears.
And i doubt that the one party is actually doing stuff because of their in-game character.

side note : what i actually heard

That "unnamed alliance" players / obviously not all of them/ made fun of one person using his real life tragedy / death in close family.

The fact that you cannot differentiate between in-game actions and RL ones, is your problem not mine. I also don't much care about your posting style either, whether angry or not.

I know my motives for playing, I enjoy playing games on my PC. Eve as well as BF3 and many others. If you want to read more into that, then you go for it. The difference between myself and you it seems, is that you bring whatever actions happen within a game, into RL.

I'm sure I'll worry today, about seeing myself.

So I'm now shallow, as well as morally and ethically challenged?

I never knew my life was so easy and interesting tbh.

Mags, I assume you are a troll, but much like the ducks that sit on my deck I enjoy feeding the wildlife once in a while.

Not every game is the same. A lot of games have clear goals, winning and losing are clearly defined.

Many online computer games that put one player against another are designed in a way that you are intended to be in conflict with another and the cost of losing is small and there is no persistence. You play the game and it goes where it goes. When you log in tomorrow you are mostly where you were before regardless of wins or losses in previous sessions.

Eve is different. Eve allows someone to spend a lot of the only RL currency (time) that matters to build stuff. Eve also allows asshats (tm) to 'splode that same stuff with no consequence. It allows asshats (tm) to play Eve just to mess with folk, to somehow enjoy being an asshat (tm) for the fun of the tears.

Eve is as near as I can figure is the only game where asshats(tm) can actually with no consequence in game destroy the result of someone's substantial RL time persisted work product and hide in a community that seems to thinks its moral,

It's not, it is folks getting pleasure from no other benefit that causing someone else's pain. That you aren't sophisticated in your understanding of the human condition to understand that negating the result of someones efforts that cost them something they can't ever replace (their time) isn't "the way Eve works", it's your failing as a human.

Morality is a personal trait. But there definitely exists a generally accepted definition of "do on to others...". You can pretend that you are playing a game so it doesn't matter but because Eve persists the result of actual RL folks time when you ignore that rule because "messin with folk" is fun for you then you are and asshat rat bastard in game and RL.

Issler

The term “morality” can be used either

descriptively to refer to some codes of conduct put forward by a society or,

some other group, such as a religion, or

accepted by an individual for her own behavior or

normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.


What “morality” is taken to refer to plays a crucial, although often unacknowledged, role in formulating ethical theories. To take “morality” to refer to an actually existing code of conduct put forward by a society results in a denial that there is a universal morality, one that applies to all human beings. This descriptive use of “morality”is the one used by anthropologists when they report on the morality of the societies that they study. Recently, some comparative and evolutionary psychologists (Haidt, Hauser, De Waal) have taken morality, or a close anticipation of it, to be present among groups of non-human animals, primarily other primates but not limited to them. “Morality” has also been taken to refer to any code of conduct that a person or group takes as most important.

Among those who use “morality” normatively, all hold that “morality” refers to a code of conduct that applies to all who can understand it and can govern their behavior by it. In the normative sense, morality should never be overridden, that is, no one should ever violate a moral prohibition or requirement for non-moral considerations. All of those who use “morality” normatively also hold that, under plausible specified conditions, all rational persons would endorse that code. Moral theories differ in their accounts of the essential characteristics of rational persons and in their specifications of the conditions under which all rational persons would endorse a code of conduct as a moral code. These differences result in different kinds of moral theories. Related to these differences, moral theories differ with regard to those to whom morality applies, that is, those whose behavior is subject to moral judgment. Some hold that morality applies only to those rational beings that have those features of human beings that make it rational for all of them to endorse morality, viz., fallibility and vulnerability. Other moral theories claim to put forward an account of morality that provides a guide to all rational beings, even if these beings do not have these human characteristics, e.g., God.

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If you put so much effort into EVE that it becomes personal when something happens to you, you need help. Why? CUZ ITS A GAME. It has moved beyond escapism to obsession.