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Odyssey Weapon changes?
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Ken 1138
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-09 12:12:53 UTC
Why types of weapons will be getting tweaks and reworks in Odyssey?

Will we see weapon tiericide like no longer needing to train smaller turret specializations for the use of large turrets? To go along with the ship tiericide.?

Also will the effectiveness of Torps ever be reworked? Because every time hover the skill for it i'm very reluctant to spend the 17 days to train it for something i feel i may never need to use.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#2 - 2013-05-09 12:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
Cruise missiles are getting a massive buff to damage and travel time, large lasers are getting a big PG and cap use buff and torps - especially the T2 versions - got an indirect buff with Retribution (though I still think they need a bit more work).

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2013-05-09 14:05:58 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
Why types of weapons will be getting tweaks and reworks in Odyssey?

Will we see weapon tiericide like no longer needing to train smaller turret specializations for the use of large turrets? To go along with the ship tiericide.?
No. Largely because those aren't tiers — they're size progressions. A small turret is to a medium turret what a frigate is to a cruiser: one size down. You have to train the small turret before the large one just like you have to train the frigate (and, in a month, destroyers) to open up the cruiser.

The only tier-like structure you see on weapons is the differentiation between, say, electron, ion, and neutron blasters. However, unlike with the ship tiers — where higher was strictly better — these weapons offer mechanical disadvantages to go along with the higher damage. The point of the ship tiercide was to remove the whole “higher skill → strictly better ship → strictly higher build cost” structure; the same linear progression towards “better” doesn't exist between the weapon variants.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-05-09 14:27:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ken 1138 wrote:
Why types of weapons will be getting tweaks and reworks in Odyssey?

Will we see weapon tiericide like no longer needing to train smaller turret specializations for the use of large turrets? To go along with the ship tiericide.?
No. Largely because those aren't tiers — they're size progressions. A small turret is to a medium turret what a frigate is to a cruiser: one size down. You have to train the small turret before the large one just like you have to train the frigate (and, in a month, destroyers) to open up the cruiser.

And just like you have to train rocket specialization before you can train heavy assault missile specialization before you can train torpedo specialization.
Oh wait.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2013-05-09 14:31:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And just like you have to train rocket specialization before you can train heavy assault missile specialization before you can train torpedo specialization.
Oh wait.
Yes. Those aren't turrets at all! Oh wait, indeed.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-05-09 14:32:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And just like you have to train rocket specialization before you can train heavy assault missile specialization before you can train torpedo specialization.
Oh wait.
Yes. Those aren't turrets at all! Oh wait, indeed.

No, of course they're not turrets. That has nothing to do with the argument.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#7 - 2013-05-09 14:36:59 UTC
Please Select one of the following:

A) CCP: Please add launcher (size) specialization 4 to the launcher skill tree.

B) Tom: You have huge balls, but I still think your a tosspot and everything in this thread is utter ****.

C) CCP: Please remove turret (size) specialization 4 from the turret skill trees.



...


Make your decision!

Now with 100% less Troll.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2013-05-09 14:41:12 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, of course they're not turrets. That has nothing to do with the argument.
The argument that the ship size progression is just like the turret size progression, you mean?
Indeed, it's not. It's quite off-topic.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-05-09 16:27:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, of course they're not turrets. That has nothing to do with the argument.
The argument that the ship size progression is just like the turret size progression, you mean?
Indeed, it's not. It's quite off-topic.

So why is it done for launchers then? Stop being obtuse.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-09 16:29:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ken 1138 wrote:
Why types of weapons will be getting tweaks and reworks in Odyssey?

Will we see weapon tiericide like no longer needing to train smaller turret specializations for the use of large turrets? To go along with the ship tiericide.?
No. Largely because those aren't tiers — they're size progressions. A small turret is to a medium turret what a frigate is to a cruiser: one size down. You have to train the small turret before the large one just like you have to train the frigate (and, in a month, destroyers) to open up the cruiser.

The only tier-like structure you see on weapons is the differentiation between, say, electron, ion, and neutron blasters. However, unlike with the ship tiers — where higher was strictly better — these weapons offer mechanical disadvantages to go along with the higher damage. The point of the ship tiercide was to remove the whole “higher skill → strictly better ship → strictly higher build cost” structure; the same linear progression towards “better” doesn't exist between the weapon variants.


I dunno, as things stand you don't see a whole lot of people running dual 250mm railguns

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