Ships & Modules

Can someone link the fit OP is talking about? I can't seem to find it....
I only find 670 tank 630 dps and 945 tank 277 dps.

Edit: Found it. the Germans had the answer.

Well, this looks better than a tengu imo. But then again, I've never flown a SC and I probably never will. They're not that great. At least not compared to the cost.

They have some nice advantages, but overall I feel the t2 ships are better pve ships in addition to being more cost effective. I guess they're good for wormhole exploration. But for incusions I really feel that command ships and marauders have way more to offer. Same goes for missions.

Tengu is a cruiser, Golem/Mach are battleships.



You expect a cruiser to be more powerful than a battleship?


Plus Tengu is overpowered compared to the other 3 t3 cruisers. Easy way to tell is most people use them and if anyone asks it's always the Tengu is the best.



So hell yeah it's overpowered. Although I doubt the Tengu pilots would agree because it suits their purpose not to.

Tengu is fine, loki is fine, buff the legion.

The Proteus is actually quite good for PvE…

…but the problem is that it competes with the Ishtar, which a Proteus pilot most likely will be able to fly anyway, and which has a tanking versatility and a damage projection that the Proteus can't match. The Proteus claws some of it back, though, if we start talking about exploraiton.

IMHO the Tengu is somewhat overpowered, something that around -10% dps and tank would balance out. However, I strongly support the idea of nerfing T3 command subsystems, so they become decidedly less powerful than fleet CS.

WHAT IS PROTUS?

The thing you have to remember about the tengu is that its projected maximum DPS only comes from using kinetic missiles. Switch to any other damage type and it loses about 150 dps (more around 200 if it's a HAM tengu). So despite having the luxury of damage type selection using missiles, it's pretty much stuck to one type unless it goes up against something known to have a massive and unpatchable hole.

The skill loss on death along with potential isk loss from flying a decently fit, if not sufficiently pimped tengu balances the reward of having a genuinely good PVE, and PVP boat.

Proteus i'll wait until the hybrid buffs go though. The legion though, yep buff it. Ham legion is the only sufficiently viable PVP fit that comes close to justifying the risks and costs.

The Tengu is also very good because it has no drones and is small and fast, it will pwn a CNR easy in PVE even with none Kinetic Damage just because the CNR's DPS sucks without Drones let alone the big Cruise missiles which suck vs smaller ships.
EFT dps numbers might look nice but the Tengu comes out better if you play with both on the field.

I have been playing on and off with both ships and the CNR just doesn't cut it.

All T3's have their advantages, simply calling nerf is the easy way out.

post it?