Market Discussions

What if they schedule their ice mining ops in hisec and deplete the high sec belts while ganking any other miners. That way they not only get ice for themselves, but they prevent their enemies from obtaining ice on the market at cheap prices. The thing that people don't see is that ice will become a strategic material that it never was before. It wouldn't really matter if hisec ice supplied 120% of demand, once you put a limit on it it becomes a whole new ball game.

A subtle point.

Right now 98.4% of ALL ICE is mined in highsec, with no word as to actual demand for the resulting products.

Post-patch, a maximum of 80% of DEMAND will be supplied by highsec.

Keep in mind that in another thread, Fozzie said that the supply of ice right now is so high as to be effectively infinite, though to be fair it wasn't clear if he meant the available supply or the mined supply. Still, "98.4% of all ice mined" and "80% of supply met" are not comparing equivalent numbers.

No, the non-high sec folks currently mine 1.4% of Isotopes in Eve. After patch they will need to mine 20% of Isotopes in Eve. This means they will need to mine over 10x more Isotopes than they currently do.

I'm pretty sure CCP Fozzie has based these numbers on the high sec hidden ice belts being mined 5x per day. Yet they respawn 4 hours after being depleted. So I wonder if some will be cleared more than 5x per day, meaning high sec could supply more than 80% of Isotopes.

What I'm saying is that it's a minimum of a 15x increase, since "80% of the demand" is not directly comparable to "98.4% of everything that is mined". "Everything that is mined" may in fact exceed supply by a great deal on its own, which Fozzie hinted at - that's what I think the "supply is so large as to be effectively infinite" comment he posted elsewhere meant. You can draw real world evidence for this from the ice interdiction, incidentally. Despite cutting off the vast majority of supply for gallente ice, it took a long time for prices to get up to their highest levels, because there were plentiful stockpiles that people were happy to sell.

As to getting a sixth spawn, it is mathematically possible if you mine every spawn in 48 minutes or less - realistically, more like 40 minutes or less to leave time to mine the sixth one. However, the absolute minimum pilot count to mine a site that quickly is 56 - one fully skilled orca pilot with mindlinks, plus 55 fully skilled hulk pilots with 5% mining implants. Every single site across Empire being mined out in full six times a day this way would thus require a minimum of 5432 pilots on each and every time the belts respawned.

I doubt there are that many highsec miners in the game, especially when you start to factor in things like "time zones". So while I've no doubt that some systems will get six spawns a day (probably mostly Caldari systems that will owe it to their proximity to Jita) I'm also fairly confident many systems will be neglected, and things will average out.

It didn't wait for the patch. Do you remember the ice interdiction? I think it can be predicted. Whether it works or not is another thing. You should really check out mynnna's new and improved politically correct and slightly less overtly anti-semitic signature sometime. (If you want to be a space politician nowadays you gotta clean up your act, right?)

I don't think I ever said it was. I said it was new and improved. And "cabal" is also politically correct and slightly less overtly ant-semetic than "Jewbal" but I'm sorry if anyone got the impression that your signature was ever anti-semetic.

Edit: Just to be clear, my snark got in the way of my message. I was trying to give you a thumbs up for the new and improved "Economic Warfare" emphasis while objecting to the use of the otherwise perfectly fine (but given the recent history probably still a bit too loaded) word "cabal". Anyhow, whatever.

All I see here is "buy my gank magnets"

That's what I have told in another thread, but they won't believe me.

The fun part is that CCP wants ice to be a "conflict driver". If 80% doesn't encourage any nastiness, then those spawning ice field anomalies might spawn less and less frequently until CCP is happy with the results.

Sure, stockpiles will make up the difference and buffer the market demand for awhile -- but all good things must come to an end.

Do current NULL SEC ice fields produce racial ices randomly or does an entire region just produce a single racial ice? (ie all DELVE has only Caldari racial ice )