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Could a dev clarify this statement about SP refunds?
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Vintah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-08 12:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vintah
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If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.


Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234



I am wondering, for example if I have level 5 BC but no racial Cruiser skills whatsoever, does my level 5 BC skill will be removed and the spent SP refunded to re-allocate?

Or do you get free unallocted SP to be able to train all Cruisers and/or all Racial Battlecruisers for free in future?

Like, for an example, I have 1MIL SP under Battlecruisers, but no racial Cruisers. And patch hits, which one of the following options will apply to me?

1) I will get the plain 1MIL SP refunded, BC skill removed and available to re-allocate just the 1MIL SP that i had wasted on BC.

2) I will get unallocated SP that is enough to train all 4 Racial Battlecruisers? Eg. If others with Cruisers 3 would get pre-set SP like 4x1MIL for each 4 Racial BC's, do I get 4MIL unallocated SP instead?



Please let me know, I am not sure what to make out of it. Idea
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#2 - 2013-05-08 12:48:43 UTC
Vintah wrote:
Quote:
If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed.


Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234



I am wondering, for example if I have level 5 BC but no racial Cruiser skills whatsoever, does my level 5 BC skill will be removed and the spent SP refunded to re-allocate?

Or do you get free unallocted SP to be able to train all Cruisers and/or all Racial Battlecruisers for free in future?

Like, for an example, I have 1MIL SP under Battlecruisers, but no racial Cruisers. And patch hits, which one of the following options will apply to me?

1) I will get the plain 1MIL SP refunded, BC skill removed and available to re-allocate just the 1MIL SP that i had wasted on BC.

2) I will get unallocated SP that is enough to train all 4 Racial Battlecruisers? Eg. If others would get pre-set SP like 4x1MIL for each 4 Racial BC's, do I get 4MIL unallocated SP instead?



Please let me know, I am not sure what to make out of it. Idea


Lets say you currently have destroyers to V. For each race you have frigate III in, you will get a new racial destroyer skill to V. For each race you DON'T have frigate to III, you simply lose out, no skill refund and no added sp.

So let's say you have Amarr Cruiser III, Minmatar Cruiser III, and Battlecruiser V. When the update hits, you'll get a new skill, Amarr Battlecruiser V, and another, Minmatar Battlecruiser V. But you won't receive any points for Caldari or Gallente.

The are simply adding skills to allow you to continue to fly what you can already fly. There will be no SP return, or unallocated SP. You either get the skill trained to the level you currently have, or you get no skill at all.

Which is why we recommend getting those frigate and cruiser skills up. Only takes a week or two, and you come out 6mil sp thicker in the end.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-05-08 12:53:12 UTC
1)

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Vintah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-08 12:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vintah
Well sir Ruze, if you would read the start of my post where i precisely quoted a dev directly from the blog post...

And the poster above me, how are you SURE that it's 1)?
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#5 - 2013-05-08 12:57:11 UTC
Vintah wrote:
Well sir Ruze, if you would read the start of my post where i precisely quoted a dev directly from the blog post...

And the poster above me, how are you SURE that it's 1)?


I'm not sure what you're reading different than me. Same post I use for my sources. It's a skill addition, not actually an SP balance or return. We're getting an extra book already trained, not an allotment of skill points (like we did with the learning skills a few years back).

I personally would prefer the sp allotment, myself. I'd sink those extra level V's I'd get in return into more focused ships and skills I've been training for. But that's not how I read the dev blog at all.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#6 - 2013-05-08 13:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruze
Ahh, now I see your dilemma more clearly. Their point is that if you've somehow trained the destroyer or battlecruiser skill without the associated frigate or cruiser skills (as in, you don't have any racial cruiser to level III, but somehow managed to train battlecriusers already), you can't just get a new skill book. You'll actually get sp back.

With so many changes in the code over the years, there has to be accounts out there that have managed to do this. They were just explaining what would happen if a player had somehow managed to get around the cruiser/frigate skill requirement. It's an exception point, not a rule for the majority.

And yeah, if you have no racial cruiser to III, you just get the plain 1mil sp back for one race, not enough sp for each race.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Tlat Ij
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-05-08 13:03:35 UTC
Ruze wrote:
Vintah wrote:
Well sir Ruze, if you would read the start of my post where i precisely quoted a dev directly from the blog post...

And the poster above me, how are you SURE that it's 1)?


I'm not sure what you're reading different than me. Same post I use for my sources. It's a skill addition, not actually an SP balance or return. We're getting an extra book already trained, not an allotment of skill points (like we did with the learning skills a few years back).

I personally would prefer the sp allotment, myself. I'd sink those extra level V's I'd get in return into more focused ships and skills I've been training for. But that's not how I read the dev blog at all.

He asked what happens if you DON'T HAVE any cruiser skills trained but have the BC skill trained. Your response was completely and utterly irrelevant to the question he asked.

As for the OP, option 1 is by far the most reasonable choice. The did the whole skill change with "if you can fly it now, you can fly it after" so if you can't fly it now it would not make any sense to be able to fly it after either.
monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-08 13:04:29 UTC
then yes as it says in the original post by the dev, the BC skill will be removed and you will given the SP from that as free relocatable SP.

Vintah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-08 13:09:36 UTC
Well, it sucks that Gnosis doesn't need BC skill to mount :P Otherwise, I could have been driven a hard bargain! Twisted
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-05-08 13:13:02 UTC
Vintah wrote:
Well sir Ruze, if you would read the start of my post where i precisely quoted a dev directly from the blog post...

And the poster above me, how are you SURE that it's 1)?


Because it says so in the post you quoted

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