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The killer of Karin Midular is winning

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2013-05-07 17:48:50 UTC
Under normal circumstances, I would call the perpretrator the "killer of 58 people" but if we were to assume the Caille shootings were an attempt to sabotage Gallentean and Minmatar relations, then someone is certainly giving off a ****-eating grin in their maximum security prison cell.

I just hope those behind closed doors realize this. I pray they are merely doing what all pragmatists do, and that is soothing the understandable populist outcry in a controlled fashion, the best way they can.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#2 - 2013-05-07 18:16:12 UTC
My suspicions exactly, Seriphyn.

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Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#3 - 2013-05-07 18:22:03 UTC
The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark.

Darius Shakor - Kacha

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#4 - 2013-05-07 18:33:02 UTC
Something I attempted to change.... But it has become clear the FIO has other mechanations in mind.

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#5 - 2013-05-07 18:38:02 UTC
Darius Shakor wrote:
The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark.


Case and point.
Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-07 19:28:25 UTC
Darius Shakor wrote:
The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark.

Of course.

It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-05-07 20:18:47 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Something I attempted to change.... But it has become clear the FIO has other mechanations in mind.


It's amazing how many of my problems with the Federation simply melt away when the FIO is removed from the equation. I try not to buy into conspiracy theories, but if you put a bullet in the Black Eagles and I put one in all the Provists, I wonder if there would even be a war between our two people?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Darius Shakor
Second Shakor Clan
#8 - 2013-05-07 20:20:32 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Case and point.


Your case was that the shooter is winning in his goal as though the blame rests on him. My point was that he shot a bunch of my people and the Gallente give us nothing but silence. We are angry at the Gallente government because of their actions, not just those of the shooter. I am not seeing your point at all.

Let me spell mine out for you again since I may have been too subtle to break through the fog of smug self admiration you Gallente always coat yourselves in.

Maniac shoots dozens of Minmatar civilians in Gallente space. We demand justice be seen for our people.

Gallente police scoop him up and nothing is heard about him ever again. No details, no name, not even why he did what he did or an offer to share information about him with our government. As a bare minimum of what has been asked, as some of it is more tricky and legal, this should not be hard to extend to us in light of the situation.

End result, we are mad at the Gallente government because of this. The shooter did not force them to silence. So let us not pretend this is the case in one neat little package.

Hadrian Tivianne wrote:
Darius Shakor wrote:
The shooter is not causing this. Your 'free' government is causing this by stonewalling a wronged people and keeping us in the dark.

Of course.

It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.


I was not aware that the Gallente have a tradition of spiriting away a mass murderer and shrouding him in secrecy after his arrest. I must have missed this in cultural awareness lessons as a child. Are all your criminal cases held in complete secrecy away from the eyes of the cluster at large?

But please keep throwing these weightless accusations around. They are nice and shiny and distract people, as you are well aware, from the actual point I was making here. Ancestors forbid you should form an opinion on that.

Darius Shakor - Kacha

Vandeamon Writing Project - EVE Works

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#9 - 2013-05-07 20:28:09 UTC
I'm hearing that the Republic Fleet intruded into Gallente space, with a fleet of dreadnoughts, and opened fire on the Federation Navy forces there, losing several of their capital ships.

There's probably some kind of lesson here.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#10 - 2013-05-07 20:37:34 UTC
Hadrian Tivianne wrote:

Of course.

It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.


No one is demanding that you respect our traditions, you buffoon. We're asking that you do what's right. We ask to be treated as trusted allies and not to be kept in the dark.

Were our roles reversed you'd ask the same.

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, today isn't really the best of times to be starting a bunch of silly **** with us.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-05-07 20:48:45 UTC
I hate to pour water on troubled waters but... Don't you perhaps consider the possibility that perhaps the FIO and RSS were sharing intel up till recently, they just have not told us because we as Capsuleers, the kings of capriciousness and the queens of anarchy, couldn't keep a secret even if our lives depended on it. Case in point was a Capsuleer who should know better and who I won't name and shame. He decided to leak information that would be considered classified by all right thinking people then had the tall to ask why he had not been told of this information firsthand.
However given recent events I would be surprised if the RSS and FIO are now sharing anything other than two way range space.

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#12 - 2013-05-07 21:28:17 UTC
Case and point.

Again.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2013-05-07 21:57:35 UTC
These shooters are never just random nuts, especially when you look at what happens next.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Hadrian Tivianne
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-07 22:12:20 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Hadrian Tivianne wrote:

Of course.

It makes sense that everyone should be forced to respect your traditions, but ignore that of others.


No one is demanding that you respect our traditions, you buffoon. We're asking that you do what's right. We ask to be treated as trusted allies and not to be kept in the dark.

Were our roles reversed you'd ask the same.

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, today isn't really the best of times to be starting a bunch of silly **** with us.

Why is your definition of right better than anyone else'? That is clearly the issue at hand here. Trusted allies do not invade sovereign space. Twice. They continue to use diplomatic channels regardless of the amount of time or stress it causes. That is how diplomacy works. "Doing what's right" is meant to be right for both sides, not one.

So, firstly I will ask how a Republic fleet invading sovereign space is "right" by both sides? I'll then ask how after not getting it's way, it is "right" for that fleet to open fire on Federation ships?

You have absolutely no idea what I would do if the roles were reversed, your statement is empty.

As for your final statement about today, I'm not going to touch it. I suppose if you feel that flaunting the fact that a Republic fleet may as well have started a war is acceptable as some form of intimidation, that's your choice.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#15 - 2013-05-07 22:32:39 UTC
It's amusing to see there's always that one person who immediately latches onto all kinds of conspiracy theories.

I've warned you for quite some time now Shakor is a crazy warmongering lunatic. However, if it will be easier for any of you to blame it on some kind of a conspiracy to get the Federation and Republic into war, go right ahead; some of those theories can actually be quite amusing.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2013-05-07 23:59:03 UTC
The last time a military force menaced peace under Midular's mandate, she took radical steps to get rid of it.

The irony.

Case and point indeed.
Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-05-08 00:37:12 UTC
Midular united the tribes... against their allies.

Everything is proceeding as the prophecy foretold!

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-08 00:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
Valerie Valate wrote:
I'm hearing that the Republic Fleet intruded into Gallente space, with a fleet of dreadnoughts, and opened fire on the Federation Navy forces there, losing several of their capital ships.

There's probably some kind of lesson here.


Naglfar's suck as capital ships?

Anyway, for all we know, the shooter is a Gallente ultra-nationalist. In which case, the Roden administration is doing exactly what he wants...which would be unsurprising, as this would not be the first time that Roden Industries has been connected to a would-be assassin. I'm sure you all have read past news stories.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#19 - 2013-05-08 01:36:39 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Something I attempted to change.... But it has become clear the FIO has other mechanations in mind.

Can you truly be this blind. They invade and you blame your own government.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#20 - 2013-05-08 01:46:54 UTC
Stilwater corporation. An Angel Cartel subsidiary. Why should you be passing judgement on Federation politics again?

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